The Great Outdoors is not going to be so great

[Omega Man]

…..in the dark…..in Kaliphornia

This boggles my mind-



Watcha gonna do to keep your refrigerator running when the power lines are on fire?

OM

[akbeemer]

Laws like that just make honest people criminals.

[kbasa]

Please cut it out with spelling the name of my home with a K. Show some respect. If you'd like, I could refer to folks in my former home as M*******s. Sound fair?

Also, your comments are funny until you have to get evacuated for a fire and at that point, you get to look at all your material goods and wonder whether you're going to see any of it again. I guarantee that living in Mansfield (King Philip graduate here), you have never had an equivalent experience to a wildfire that has the potential to destroy everything you've worked for.

Long distance transmission of electricity and poor maintenance of the infrastructure that does so by PG&E is what has lead to our fire issues over the last couple years. When we turned utilities into a profit making venture, the state's electrical grid started suffering from the same problems capitalism introduces into high availability, low margin products - stagnation and doing just enough to keep it operating.

The future is local generation and storage. Until then we'll have generators in place. Many of my neighbors already have photovoltaics on the roof and storage for a couple days of power, even if the sun doesn't shine. Also, for those challenged by the law and how it will work, note that there isn't a ban on them being used, but a ban on them being sold. The guy in the video above is doing nothing more than fomenting fear and it looks like you're all consuming it as gospel.

I can't even begin to verbalize how ****ty the comment "how are you going to run your fridge when the power lines are on fire" is and how utterly tone deaf it is to the thousands of Californians that have lost their homes, their possessions and in more cases than we'd like, their lives due to wildfires.

Be better.

If you'd like to have a conversation about environmental laws in California, I'm happy to have that conversation, but using fires as a conversational tact only makes me think you're an *******.

Prove me wrong and do better. At least demonstrate some respect for the 40 million Californians you share a nation with.

[Omega Man]

Please cut it out with spelling the name of my home with a K. Show some respect. If you'd like, I could refer to folks in my former home as M*******s. Sound fair?

Also, your comments are funny until you have to get evacuated for a fire and at that point, you get to look at all your material goods and wonder whether you're going to see any of it again. I guarantee that living in Mansfield (King Philip graduate here), you have never had an equivalent experience to a wildfire that has the potential to destroy everything you've worked for.

Long distance transmission of electricity and poor maintenance of the infrastructure that does so by PG&E is what has lead to our fire issues over the last couple years. When we turned utilities into a profit making venture, the state's electrical grid started suffering from the same problems capitalism introduces into high availability, low margin products - stagnation and doing just enough to keep it operating.

The future is local generation and storage. Until then we'll have generators in place. Many of my neighbors already have photovoltaics on the roof and storage for a couple days of power, even if the sun doesn't shine. Also, for those challenged by the law and how it will work, note that there isn't a ban on them being used, but a ban on them being sold. The guy in the video above is doing nothing more than fomenting fear and it looks like you're all consuming it as gospel.

I can't even begin to verbalize how ****ty the comment "how are you going to run your fridge when the power lines are on fire" is and how utterly tone deaf it is to the thousands of Californians that have lost their homes, their possessions and in more cases than we'd like, their lives due to wildfires.

Be better.

If you'd like to have a conversation about environmental laws in California, I'm happy to have that conversation, but using fires as a conversational tact only makes me think you're an *******.

Prove me wrong and do better. At least demonstrate some respect for the 40 million Californians you share a nation with.

There isn’t any curse words you can’t throw at Taxachusetts that don’t fit.
For those that don’t know, when asterisks appear, the forum software has automatically deleted the curse or objectionable wording.
Guess I can’t lend you a generator iffin you are without power.
OM

[kbasa]

There isn’t any curse words you can’t throw at Taxachusetts that don’t fit.
For those that don’t know, when asterisks appear, the forum software has automatically deleted the curse or objectionable wording.
Guess I can’t lend you a generator iffin you are without power.
OM

If that was an apology, it was in the top 5 worst ones I've ever heard.

Somehow, I expected more from a moderator here.

[Omega Man]

If that was an apology, it was in the top 5 worst ones I've ever heard.

Somehow, I expected more from a moderator here.

Not intended as an apology.
If I was acting with my moderator shoes on, this would have been reported as the personal attack that it was.
I will delete your posts as well as my responses iffin you like?
OM

[20774]

How about we all just "be better"!!

[kbasa]

Not intended as an apology.
If I was acting with my moderator shoes on, this would have been reported as the personal attack that it was.
I will delete your posts as well as my responses iffin you like?
OM

Well, I guess that answers that question.

No, you threw crap on my state and then rationalized it by saying I could say horrible things about Mass. in your response. Originally, you used fires as a tool for sarcasm about the plight of Californians which remains about as tone deaf a statement as I've ever read on this forum. I said your comments made me think you were an 'bad word here', giving you an opportunity to show me some level of empathy for people in my state. But you didn't, did you?

Would you say any of that to the folks that were burned out of Paradise, CA? How about the families of those that died up there? Or the folks living in 5000 homes in Santa Rosa, a Worcester sized city, that were all burned out, including those that died? Or all the people all over this state that have lost their property and loved ones due to fire? My point, however poorly stated, is that you used utter disaster and destruction as a cheap slam on an entire state, because you don't agree with, nor do you apparently understand the new laws.

Speaking as a moderator alumni on this site and as a moderator on another site currently, this is poor behavior by a mod.

And now you're doubling down on being horrible and diminishing the loss this state has suffered. Well done.

Thanks.

Are we going to do floods in the midwest and the gulf coast next? Or should I just wait until you have a blizzard and then make jokes about people freezing to death? Lemme know. Apparently that's acceptable here.

[Omega Man]

Well, I guess that answers that question.

No, you threw crap on my state and then rationalized it by saying I could say horrible things about Mass. in your response. Originally, you used fires as a tool for sarcasm about the plight of Californians which remains about as tone deaf a statement as I've ever read on this forum. I said your comments made me think you were an 'bad word here', giving you an opportunity to show me some level of empathy for people in my state. But you didn't, did you?

Would you say any of that to the folks that were burned out of Paradise, CA? How about the families of those that died up there? Or the folks living in 5000 homes in Santa Rosa, a Worcester sized city, that were all burned out, including those that died? Or all the people all over this state that have lost their property and loved ones due to fire? My point, however poorly stated, is that you used utter disaster and destruction as a cheap slam on an entire state, because you don't agree with, nor do you apparently understand the new laws.

Speaking as a moderator alumni on this site and as a moderator on another site currently, this is poor behavior by a mod.

And now you're doubling down on being horrible and diminishing the loss this state has suffered. Well done.

Thanks.

Are we going to do floods in the midwest and the gulf coast next? Or should I just wait until you have a blizzard and then make jokes about people freezing to death? Lemme know. Apparently that's acceptable here.

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...-Kentucky-area
OM

[mikegalbicka]

I doubt he meant to offend and I also see your point in taking offense. Poor taste? Probably. I apologize for him. What has been suffered out there with wildfires is unimaginable to me and I have been in the eye of 3 hurricanes in three months before.

[kbasa]

I doubt he meant to offend and I also see your point in taking offense. Poor taste? Probably. I apologize for him. What has been suffered out there with wildfires is unimaginable to me and I have been in the eye of 3 hurricanes in three months before.

Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Very poor taste.

[Omega Man]

Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Very poor taste.

Somehow this is wandered off track-

Natural disasters are natural disasters…..Mother Nature is Mother Nature.
When a disasters strike, people like to have an auxiliary form of power to keep important electrical equipment up and running.
Not much can be done about natural disasters or Mother Nature other than get through it the best way possible.

(CA) Seems to think taking away peoples ability to keep their important electrical equipment up and running is the way to go.

Seems like a lot of freezer loads of food going bad.

OM

[GTRider]

Devoid of all the spin and such…

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/prog...kup-generators

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fac...-power-shutoff

Best,
DeVern

[Omega Man]

Devoid of all the spin and such…

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/prog...kup-generators

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fac...-power-shutoff

Best,
DeVern

That was a couple of years ago.
This is recent- https://camperreport.com/rv-generators-ban-california/
OM

[PGlaves]

My standby generator is built in to my Roadtrek camper van. Thus it is not an off-road gasoline engine. And if I were in California at a location where the power went out due to power company negligence you can bet I would start it up and run an extension cord and plug in. For routine use I have solar panels on the roof of the van. Every now and then I will run the generator for 5 minutes so I can microwave something.