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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    BMW does not produce "manuals" for BMW cars and that's been the case for years.

    This is the case for most auto manufacturers.

    Instead what is offered is a subscription service to technical information and I suspect you will be able to subscribe to access BMW motorcycle information as well.

    My recent experience has been with Mercedes and it is that a 24-hour subscription runs something like $75 and a one-year subscription is in the $2K range. That's what independent repair shops do, obviously.

    You can take to the bank BMW is not withholding information, as that would be illegal.

    Check out https://www.bmwtis.com/#/login

    What is missing here seems to be communication to dealers or--and does this ever actually happen--to BMW MOA as to what will be available. This is yet another instance where BMW MOA has an "opportunity" to actually be a service to its members. An ON article, perhaps?
    The subscription BMW is offering seems very expensive to the point of being cost prohibitive.

    Asking a MOA member to pay $30.00, for one days worth of access seems to be a stretch then some here seem to almost have a stroke then asked to pay full price for a spark plug.

    Have any members used the subscription service?

    Has MOA, or RA joined, or been offered a subscription to share with its members?

    All of this is very concerning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by easy View Post
    The subscription BMW is offering seems very expensive to the point of being cost prohibitive.

    Asking a MOA member to pay $30.00, for one days worth of access seems to be a stretch then some here seem to almost have a stroke then asked to pay full price for a spark plug.

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    One can download a lot in 24 hours ... make your own manual if you will.
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    I wonder what Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki are doing along these lines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    One can download a lot in 24 hours ... make your own manual if you will.
    I've got an idea it will be more like 1-day, or 30-minutes, whichever is less. I hope I'm wrong.

    But, unlike Blanch DuBois, I don't live my life depending on the kindness of strangers, or for that matter corporate conglomerates.

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    Last edited by easy; 01-05-2022 at 10:05 AM.

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    If it is like what ram uses which is tech authority you will not be able to download or print anything out. It is disabled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsconver View Post
    If it is like what ram uses which is tech authority you will not be able to download or print anything out. It is disabled.
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    I have the BMW DVD Repair Manual for the R1250GS/A models. It is hundreds of pages long. Trying to screenshot the whole thing, make PDFs and then collate the whole thing would take a very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    BMW does not produce "manuals" for BMW cars and that's been the case for years.

    This is the case for most auto manufacturers.

    Instead what is offered is a subscription service to technical information and I suspect you will be able to subscribe to access BMW motorcycle information as well.

    My recent experience has been with Mercedes and it is that a 24-hour subscription runs something like $75 and a one-year subscription is in the $2K range. That's what independent repair shops do, obviously.

    You can take to the bank BMW is not withholding information, as that would be illegal.

    Check out https://www.bmwtis.com/#/login

    What is missing here seems to be communication to dealers or--and does this ever actually happen--to BMW MOA as to what will be available. This is yet another instance where BMW MOA has an "opportunity" to actually be a service to its members. An ON article, perhaps?


    BMWTIS.com Terms of Service:

    "The information on this website is not to be resold, bartered, copied or transferred without the express written consent of BMW of North America, LLC (“BMW NA”)."

    Just sharing this for anyone who plans on creating an account and copying the data offline to share with others.
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    There's this site - https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

    It was created by enthusiasts, not BMW and according to their goodbye note, BMW asked them to shut it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cap View Post
    Brad and I got our 1250 DVD's from Simeon at genuinebmw@gmail.com. But this was for the 2019-2020 model years. Still, it is nice to have official procedures for cam timing and so forth.

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    I tried the email address and did not get a reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    I wonder what Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki are doing along these lines?
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    Honda and Suzuki used to sell nicely bound, large and very detailed factory service manuals. The last one i bought was a couple years ago. They were in the neighborhood of $100 or so. I used them more for study on how the bike was put together because for the most part, those machines rarely needed any maintenance other than oil and tire changes, which was simple enough without the manual. The GoldWing valve check interval was 36,000 miles, and was good for a very long time after that. The Wing manual was useful for “finding” the air filter, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamchandler View Post
    There's this site - https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/

    It was created by enthusiasts, not BMW and according to their goodbye note, BMW asked them to shut it down.
    It looks like BMW demanded the site be closed. The site also says in their opinion by their conduct BMW "violates the right to repair."



    Site Closed

    This site is closed per demands of BMW AG.
    BMW recommends the official and up-to-date BMW TIS which can be accessed at www.bmwtis.com*.

    * However, we believe that BMW violates the right to repair by effectively locking out individual consumers from basic repair information through unreasonably high access fees.

    Contact us via the feedback form below if you have any questions or concerns.





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    Quote Originally Posted by easy View Post

    * However, we believe that BMW violates the right to repair by effectively locking out individual consumers from basic repair information through unreasonably high access fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I tried the email address and did not get a reply.
    I emailed last week and got a reply within a couple of days. They were not able to get a DVD for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dravnx View Post
    I emailed last week and got a reply within a couple of days. They were not able to get a DVD for me.
    That's what I expected but thought it was worth a try.
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