Anyone have any idea why you can't buy the maintenance manual DVD for my '18 R1200RS? I've tried to order it from a couple of dealer parts departments and have ordered it online from a couple of dealerships. No stock worldwide and no estimate of availability. The online sources (A&S, Max's) show stock and allow you to order it but then cancel the order after I've gone through the process.
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Repair DVD availability
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MCMXCIVRS
More toys than space
I would hope it's not a case of the service manual becoming unavailable and perhaps just a move away from the DVD format which in all honesty is old tech nowadays. I would like to hope there is some sort of online of downloadable manual in the works.
I do have the DVD manual for my F850GSA to use on my shop computer at home, but an online type manual accessible from anywhere I happened to be on any portable device would be nice.
I do have the DVD manual for my F850GSA to use on my shop computer at home, but an online type manual accessible from anywhere I happened to be on any portable device would be nice.
bigjohnsd
'21 R1250 GS Adv
BMW Repair Manual CD DVD Availability
https://advrider.com/f/threads/bmw-repair-manual-cd.1526639/
A long and comprehensive discussion has evolved on the MOA Facebook page as well - https://www.facebook.com/groups/bmwmoa/permalink/10159736045744379/
Reece Mullins, Tom Cutter, Wes Fleming and others are leading the charge.
It remains to be seen if MOA has any influence with Motorrad in this regard.
https://advrider.com/f/threads/bmw-repair-manual-cd.1526639/
A long and comprehensive discussion has evolved on the MOA Facebook page as well - https://www.facebook.com/groups/bmwmoa/permalink/10159736045744379/
Reece Mullins, Tom Cutter, Wes Fleming and others are leading the charge.
It remains to be seen if MOA has any influence with Motorrad in this regard.
Visian
look out!!!
Interesting side note, but 50 or so years ago, this aspect of consumerism was a central point of discussion in the formation of a national BMW riders club.
In the FB discussion, there is a mention of what (I bet) is going to be something the MOA attempts to do.
Greg Feeler should be credited with this original idea, which he told me about 15 years ago. In an effort to get the ball rolling I attempted to help out, but the main sources of input were, shall we say, rather resistant.
Notice, ahem, that the MOA Forum is not listed in the links.
pglaves
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I can tell you, as a BMW Motorrad employee, that all service manuals have been discontinued by BMW, and are no longer available, nor will they be
After owning 29 different BMW motorcycles, Honda starts looking better and better every day. I live over 400 miles from the nearest BMW dealership and about 1,000 miles from the nearest one I consider competent. I will not be held hostage by BMW to take care of my motorcycles. If I can't do maintenance I won't own it.
RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
I am also going to avoid purchasing any bike that I can't get a service manual for. Disgusting.
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I can tell you, as a BMW Motorrad employee, that all service manuals have been discontinued by BMW, and are no longer available, nor will they be
Without an easy access to an OEM supplied repair manual or disc, it gives some enterprising young lad to “bootleg” a copy and send it out to the web.
Perhaps as you work for BMW Motorrad, you can forward this thread to them. Chances are they won’t respond but will at least fill them in as to BMW owner’s thoughts.
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pglaves
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I think the new stuff is all in the cloud, accessible by dealer techs on their proprietary computer hardware. It might be difficult to copy.
I wonder what happens when the internet goes down at a dealership locality. Donuts and coffee for the techs until it comes back up tomorrow? Or misapply torque settings from faulty memory. Cheat sheets in the bottom tool drawer, anybody???
It’s clear BMW does not want anyone other than authorized dealers to work on the bikes.
After all, an owner or independent shop might be tempted to save $$$ by using aftermarket parts, denying BMW their due over the planned 10 years of ownership.
It doesn’t bother me, what i have will likely last as long as i will need. New BMW buyers will just have to get with the program and pony up.
It’s not really a bad business decision from BMW’s standpoint.
After all, an owner or independent shop might be tempted to save $$$ by using aftermarket parts, denying BMW their due over the planned 10 years of ownership.
It doesn’t bother me, what i have will likely last as long as i will need. New BMW buyers will just have to get with the program and pony up.
It’s not really a bad business decision from BMW’s standpoint.
ponch1
Ponch
I feel the same way
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GTRider
My sentiments exactly! If BMW commits to this path I’ll not be purchasing a new bike from them. Unfortunate, as I’ve been patiently waiting for the shipments on new RTs to stabilize. I own BMW-provided service manuals, print or digital, for the BMWs I own and refuse to buy any new motorcycle for which I cannot purchase service information or for which service information is ridiculously priced ($30 for a one-day use?).
My next “RT” could be an FJR, my next GS a PanAmerica.
Best,
DeVern
stooie
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While I'm sad to hear that BMW will no longer be making maintenance information available I greatly fear this is where the industry is heading.
Thinking I might add a second bike to my stable I test rode a Ducati 950 S this summer. I found it to be a delightful bike; not perfect but more fun than a barrel of monkeys. One of the big reasons I didn't jump is that Ducati doesn't make maintenance info available. As with BMW, dealers are few and far between. Lacking simple info such as torque values for wheel nuts, chain tension adjuster bolts, etc. and advising that these processes must be done "at an authorized service center" just doesn't make sense in many parts of our large country.
Fortunately my 2018 RT is going strong and, at age 72, may very well last until I "age out" of riding. Should I decide at some point to get another bike I will certainly be looking for one from a company that makes service information available.
Thinking I might add a second bike to my stable I test rode a Ducati 950 S this summer. I found it to be a delightful bike; not perfect but more fun than a barrel of monkeys. One of the big reasons I didn't jump is that Ducati doesn't make maintenance info available. As with BMW, dealers are few and far between. Lacking simple info such as torque values for wheel nuts, chain tension adjuster bolts, etc. and advising that these processes must be done "at an authorized service center" just doesn't make sense in many parts of our large country.
Fortunately my 2018 RT is going strong and, at age 72, may very well last until I "age out" of riding. Should I decide at some point to get another bike I will certainly be looking for one from a company that makes service information available.
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