The Bicycling thread

Sorry that the pics are fuzzy. We both have $100 smart phones and the cameras aren't great.

Next we traveled through WV, Indiana and Illinois. We didn't have any plan, the navigator would be looking for things to do and see on the road. This is the same way we travel on motorcycles - except we have to figure everything out during quick stops! We also like to hike so we were looking for hikes as well as bike trails. We probably spent more time on our feet than on bicycles.

We found a couple of cool bike trails, though. The Tunnel Hill trail is an old rail trail that intersects the Trail of Tears in southern Illinois. We really enjoyed this part of the country:

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We also rode on the Louisville Loop which is a bike trail that goes around the city of Louisville. It connects a whole bunch of wonderful parks on the east side where we were. Incredible infrastructure for bikes.

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Most of our evenings were spent in state or national park campsites. This was during the month of October and we pretty much had our pick of sites. We were in some really beautiful places. Mostly on or near lakes. This is in OK, just north of the Wichita reserve:

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To be continued.

We are probably 50/50 on camp cooking vs restaurants. I love experiencing the variation of cuisine across the US. My issue is that I tend to gravitate toward dishes with high calorie density (yum - boudin balls in LA, BBQ everywhere else). If we cook ourselves, I can control myself a little better. We made up a small portable galley that fits in the hatch and use a Monoprice Yeti-ish cooler knockoff to keep our stuff cold. It works great.

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Overnight trip to Minnewaska State Park with a couple days of riding...about a dozen friends in attendance.

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After all the talk and discussion about cleats and cranks, wondering if BATTERIES AND HUB DRIVE are mortal sins????????

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To me, this looks like an enjoyable ride. I have ridden with fast folks in a pace line, but all I see is the rear wheel of the bike in front and the side of the road. Going fast is ok, but I find it to be much better to take it easy, in the country, with very light traffic. and have a conversation with someone riding adjacent and see the scenery.

[QUOTE=DennisDarrow;1277983]After all the talk and discussion about cleats and cranks, wondering if BATTERIES AND HUB DRIVE are mortal sins????????[/QUOTE]

Not in my view. My wife had a heart incident last year and a battery assisted bike allows her to ride a bicycle with family and not worry about over-doing things.

[QUOTE=DennisDarrow;1277983]After all the talk and discussion about cleats and cranks, wondering if BATTERIES AND HUB DRIVE are mortal sins????????[/QUOTE]

I think we had this discussion earlier in the thread but I'm all for electric bikes. But I wish people would use common sense when riding them. We have a local park that gets pretty crowded in the summer. Electric bikes have allowed people that would never have ridden an unpowered bike an opportunity to ride on the trails. The electric bikes also allow people with zero bike handling skills to travel at speeds rivaling pro cyclists. It is unnerving and unsafe to have folks flying by at 25mph when you are out for a quiet walk. I get equally PO-ed by the unpowered bikes going the same speed - but there aren't that many strong knuckleheads doing park trail intervals. There are a lot of e-bikes going much faster than the equivalent body type on an unpowered bike, though.

That is the biggest negative that I have seen, though. The positives are huge: there are a ton of e-bikes out there now and people seem to be riding them! The campgrounds are full of them, tourist areas are EXPECTED to have e-bike rentals and tours, it is an efficient way to commute for many people. If the speed limit is 25 or 30 mph on your commute, an e-bike won't make the commute much longer, time wise. E-bikes are great for the mobility challenged (the first one I rode belonged to my 80 year old father-in-law).

The best thing for the traditional cyclist is that now there are more people out there demanding infrastructure consideration and road safety. I'm loving all of the bike lanes and paths I'm seeing across the country. My observation is that cities that embrace cycling are pleasant places to be - even if you aren't a cyclist!

I have been asked if I will get an e-bike. I respond that I have a WR250R, which is close enough.

[QUOTE=kurtr11s;1277993].[SIZE=4][COLOR="#FF0000"].. But I wish people would use common sense ...[/COLOR][/SIZE].[/QUOTE]

yep!

[QUOTE=robsryder;1277986]To me, this looks like an enjoyable ride. I have ridden with fast folks in a pace line, but all I see is the rear wheel of the bike in front and the side of the road. Going fast is ok, but I find it to be much better to take it easy, in the country, with very light traffic. and have a conversation with someone riding adjacent and see the scenery.[/QUOTE]

These folks ride Rivendell's.

They are never in much of a hurry lol.

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SPP,

You live just a little bit south of Fort Edward. In that village, there is a little island in the Hudson river named 'Rogers Island'. It is named after Robert Rogers and at one point hosted so many of his rangers during the French and Indian war that it was one of the largest 'cities' in the colonies. I think that place is still considered by many to be the birthplace of the American Special Forces. (Maybe I'll start another post about the birthplace of the US Navy: Whitehall, NY which is just a hop and skip from Fort Edward. The navy's first commander: Benedict Arnold)

Rogers made up a list of Standing Orders and Rules for his rangers. This standing order kind of jumped out at me: 'Let the enemy come till he’s almost close enough to touch, then let him have it and jump out and finish him up with your hatchet.'

I've never had a use for a hatchet but back in the mid 18th century, it was commonly carried by the military. It had to be important if you are willing to hump that extra weight.

Anyway, Grant Peterson (the Rivendell dude) had a shop in California called "Rivendell Books, Bikes, and Hatchets". I wonder how many people fell into the intersection of those 3 Venn diagrams? I'm guessing just Grant. I don't think the store is still in operation.

Sorry if I got any of the details wrong. Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

You are probably still saying WTF about that last post.

That front rack on the Lynskey is impressive. Is it Ti? Custom?

I don't think I could put something like that on my fork. It is carbon and has a single bolt hole for fenders, I think.

Here is my bike in light touring mode. The rack was also made by Lynskey and is Ti. It will hold more than I would care to carry. Right now I just have the handlebar bag for really light stuff. It looks like you have a super duper Ti handlebar, too. Mine is a carbon road bar so I don't trust it with any clamping force other than the stem. This is still primarily a race bike.

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[QUOTE=robsryder;1277986]To me, this looks like an enjoyable ride. I have ridden with fast folks in a pace line, but all I see is the rear wheel of the bike in front and the side of the road. Going fast is ok, but I find it to be much better to take it easy, in the country, with very light traffic. and have a conversation with someone riding adjacent and see the scenery.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is what my wife and I enjoy on our Ebikes. Wife had one knee replaced last June and by 2 months later with the help of her pedal assist she got her range of motion back and is out with me a couple of times per week. We are blessed of miles or roads with no cars or few to contend with. My skills on a bicycle are not the best when going slow; but pick up a bit of speed and it is different. The motorcycle has developed skills to lean and brake; BUT NOT FO SLOW MANUEVERS. Perhaps the bicycle training helps out to transfer those skills to motorcycles...........At any rate it is springtime. The trees have all pollinated and so it's good to get out and breathe that fresh air............God bless........Dennis

[QUOTE=kurtr11s;1278012]You are probably still saying WTF about that last post.

That front rack on the Lynskey is impressive. Is it Ti? Custom?

I don't think I could put something like that on my fork. It is carbon and has a single bolt hole for fenders, I think.

Here is my bike in light touring mode. The rack was also made by Lynskey and is Ti. It will hold more than I would care to carry. Right now I just have the handlebar bag for really light stuff. It looks like you have a super duper Ti handlebar, too. Mine is a carbon road bar so I don't trust it with any clamping force other than the stem. This is still primarily a race bike.

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Nope, loved the last post! (no "like" button lol)

The front rack/fork/and one piece bar/stem are all custom and made for me by James Bleakley, who owns Black Sheep Cycles.

My rear rack, like yours, is the Lynskey ti rack, although mine was modified to mount the Supernova rear light.

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Yesterday on a ride with the Carolina Tarwheels my only bike with tubeless tires suffered a flat. I could see the small puncture (and the goop bubbling out). The puncture, although small, was not sealed by the goop within the tire. No worries, I have a pump and a tubeless tire patch kit.

The tubeless bike patch kit is similar to those that I have used to good effect on motorcycles and cars. There is a "string" (albeit much smaller) and an insertion tool used to plug the leak. The insertion of the string was successful, but there was still a small amount of air escaping. Fortunately with the help of a nice couple I was able to get back to my vehicle. That bike no longer has tubeless tires.

I have decided that I like my cars and motorcycles to have tubeless tires (without goop inside the tires). And my bicycles shall have tubes in the tires and I will always have a spare tube and a patch kit (the old fashioned kind with glue and small patches for the tube - and some plastic tire levers). I have CO2 fillers and a small pump.

Regarding the tubeless tires:

Rob, I understand your position and have been contemplating my approach toward tubeless. I have tubeless setups on both my road and gravel bike. The gravel bike has an extra set of road wheels, 28C, that are also set up tubeless. My wife also has a similar setup. We both carry a spare tube, CO2, and patch kits. I also take a mini pump on longer rides. I don't bother with 'tubeless repair' kits. I just throw a tube in - it takes just a little bit longer because you have to remove the valve stem. The few flats that I've had would not have been fixed with small strip type plugs, anyway. More like slices. The small holes get plugged by the sealant.

Why do I stick with it? Because I have less flats and they are more comfortable. The comfort comes from being able to run lower tire pressures. The entire system is a little less weight than running tubes, but not much. If we get into a situation where we have used both of our tubes and have another flat, we'll get one bike ridable and then figure out how to recover. We've been running tubeless for a couple of years and haven't run into that situation, yet.

Here is the bad, in my experience: the tires are hard to get the bead to seat on my rims. It is frustrating, I get them to seat fine without valve stems but as soon as I get the stem in, they won't go. I've changed my own motorcycle tires for 33 years and have used those tricks on the bicycle tires, to little avail. The tire availability was limited when I started running tubeless. I use the Schwalbe Pro Ones and they really are a race tire. I wear the rears out pretty quickly (maybe 1500 miles?).

The tubeless system will get better. There will be solutions for making installation a much less messy proposition. The tire selection will get better and will trickle down to the enthusiast/training level. The goo will get cheaper and better.

An area where I DON'T see the hassle being 'worth it' is on hydraulic disk brakes on road bikes. Way more expensive, heavier, noisy, and more maintenance. On any type of gravel, I prefer disks but just don't 'get it' for the road. Anyone have a counter argument?

Pic from this morning's ride...Louden Road, Ghent, NY.

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The bike that I have the most miles on (and it will likely stay on top) is a Schwinn Voyager purchased in 1983. At the time of purchase I was living in southern Ohio and I traded in my older much less expensive Schwinn road bike. I rode that 15 speed (3 x 5) very regularly with the fellow that owned the local bike shop (and sold me the Voyager). He grew up in the area and knew the back roads, and more importantly, the good placed to find breakfast out in the country.

I still have that bike as it is very comfortable to me, but it has rim clincher brakes. While these work well, there is really no comparison to the modern disc brakes on bicycles. My Schwinn in now in the basement on the trainer. I use that bike for reference measurements when I have purchased newer bikes. My newer bikes all have disc brakes, I won't be going back to rim brakes. [Note- I have a 30 year old Cannondale tandem that my wife and I use to take trips on. Once her hip replacement healing is complete we might see about riding the tandem again. The tandem has rim clinchers for the front and rear wheel and the rear wheel has a supplemental drum brake. I obtained a Trek step-thru e-bike for my wife after her heart incident last year. She really likes the e-bike, which makes it even more unlikely that the tandem will see much future use. But, I'm just not inclined to get rid of it - we do not need the room occupied by the tandem.]

I like red motorcycles and red bicycles. I have had to travel about some to find red bikes with the attributes that I desired. It is a well-known fact that red bikes are faster. :)

I had an '80s era Schwinn Le Tour. If I used that as an example of the capabilities of rim brakes, I would come to the same conclusion. But that would be like condemning BMW motorcycle braking based on the performance of an R90/6!

I have both rim and disk bikes and continue to prefer the rim brakes on the road. Just the sound of a group of 'modern' cyclists coming to a stop sends a shiver down my spine similar to fingernails on a blackboard. Hopefully this is another area that will eventually get fixed.

Here are the arguments FOR road disk: 1) Carbon rims suck when used as a brake surface AND they wear out fast - carbon rims are too expensive to use as brake disks, 2) Everyone knows that 32c tires have the least rolling resistance and best aerodynamic profile on the road - can't use them with rim brakes (wink), 3) when a bike costs $7500, what's another $500, right?, 4) You don't have to do much maintenance on them - just take it to the local mechanic a couple times a year (and how many people properly maintained their rim brakes? Probably few), 5) the hydraulic reservoir makes an additional hand position on the hoods, 6) No brake fade when doing 10 mile long descents, 7) Stop great in the rain, also while making a 10 mile long descent.

None of those arguments sway me. I ride aluminum rims. I don't ride my road bike in the rain. I don't have 10 mile descents. I don't pay over 5k for bikes. 25C is big enough. I do my own maintenance and make sure that my brake pads are in good shape and replace them fairly often. I also change out the cables and liners (usually at the start of each year).

I'm sure I'm in the minority. I usually am.

Here is a pic of my road bike. Taken on the shore of Lake Ontario in Oswego. I think this was last May.

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Last Sunday morning I was on a solo ride a bit north of Summerfield, NC (in Piedmont region of NC) and a feller in a car coming towards me flashes his lights. He said that he had just seen a small bear (80 to 100 lbs estimated) crossing the road. I kept an eye out but didn't see any bears (including an angry momma bear looking for her cub!). I did see more bikes out in the country than cars that early morning.

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We took our bikes on Mackinaw Island a few weeks ago. While we rode around the island, there was a very large group of people free swimming around the island. I think it was a fund raiser. It's 8 miles around the island by bike. Most of the swimmers were quite a bit offshore so it must have been at least a 9 mile swim in open water.

[QUOTE=littlebriar;1288098]We took our bikes on Mackinaw Island a few weeks ago. While we rode around the island, there was a very large group of people free swimming around the island. I think it was a fund raiser. It's 8 miles around the island by bike. Most of the swimmers were quite a bit offshore so it must have been at least a 9 mile swim in open water.[/QUOTE]

Wow that's a long swim in Huron's cold water.

Left the island this morning and stopped at the Log Slide and Au Sable Light Station on our drive to Marquette, MI.

Logs were slid down the sand dune and floated to Grand Marais.
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Took the the Light house tour.
Only foot traffic, no bicycles allowed on the nice 3.2 mile gravel road round trip :(

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Old ship wreck remains near the lighthouse.
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H-58 west of the lighthouse is a good motorcycle road. I pulled over to let 3 sport bikes pass and have fun.

This is part of the 4 mile section of M-185 around Mackinac Island that had to be repaired at over 6 million dollars in 2021 after high water and wave action destroyed a large section on the road. When we were there in 2019 the waves were splashing on the road and the lake level got higher in 2020.
It's several feet lower this year.

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Marquette, Michigan today.
Docks where Iron ore pellets are loaded into ships.
Train cars similar to coal cars drop the pellets down chutes into the ship.
The chutes are in the up position in my pictures.
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This is a abandoned dock no longer attached to the shore downtown.
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Just a rainy 100k on the Albany-Hudson Electric Trail.

Stuyvesant Falls....

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Needed ride back from town and came up with this since H was working . Dropped Dodge off at mechanic to do stuff I don’t want to :lol

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Gate to beer garden at Real Ale Brewery

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Axis deer running this area now, don’t care for that beer as too citrusy for me. Their Fireman’s 4 is a popular ale
The deer are larger than whitetail

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Cypress in State Park on slow pace colorwise

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My grumpiness was better in spite of wind!


Been a “few weeks” and nice welcome back headwind in spots before heading home

I'll make my annual goal set at 5,000 miles this year, but a few obstacles definitely tried to derail this year's achievement, including...discovery of heart disease after minor stroke (May 2021), cardiac ablation in October 2022, and Covid just 2 weeks post-ablation.

Generally my goal is to ride 100 miles per week, although I am thinking that for 2023 I will ride less for the remainder of the Winter, having looked at the effects of the last few years of riding in the slop that contains multiple corrosive agents.

Here's my stats for the past few years....annual mileage followed by elevation...

2022: 4,778 / 300,712

2021: 5,613 / 434,262

2020: 6,202 / 470,538

2019: 10,083 / 525,082 (Festive 500 completed)

2018: 7,830 / 403,957 (Festive 500 completed)

2017: 6,314 / 309,357

2016: 6,151 / 371,250

2015: 5,400 / 407,083

2014: 5,864 / 400,869

2013: 2,858 / 260,174

Here's a link to my Strava => [url]https://www.strava.com/athletes/403203[/url]

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Outstanding photo of the sunlit trees "guarding" the path. I might have leaned my bike against the wood rail fence, however.

It was interesting to see the bikes a few posts back with the double tubes. I guess these are common work cycles for the Dutch folks.

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Seeing these bikes brings to mind a documentary on YouTube about banana hauling bicycles in Burundi. Wow!

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200 kg of bananas going down hill on a bicycle!

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[QUOTE=robsryder;1293401]\ I might have leaned my bike against the wood rail fence, however.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes I do.

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Pete, sorry to hear about your health issues. Hope things improve this year.

I noticed on your mileage that you notated F500 years. This was the first year we attempted a version of it. About 50 miles per day on the trainer for the week of Christmas through New Years. It was a great head start to the usual Jan 1st resolutions. Much better than my normal holidays activities: eating and drinking way too much.

Last year was a fairly low mileage year for us (about 3500 miles) because we were doing a lot of hiking training (usually a few hours a day, 5 days per week) in the Adirondacks. This was to get us ready to trek to the Manaslu (8th highest) base camp in the Nepalese Himalayas. That ended up being a fantastic trip but we were off bikes for the whole month of September. The training worked out well, although hiking at <5000ft doesn’t quite prepare you for spending days at 16000.

We did one gravel race in June. I crashed and was only able to finish after some lengthy on-trail bike repair. Michelle did fantastic, though. This year we hope to do more gravel events.

I’m excited to focus on the bike once again and look for 2 wheeled adventure. I doubt the BMWs will get a lot of attention, though. We won’t even make it to the national rally because it is the same weekend as our favorite gravel bicycle race. So little time.

Today was the 46th annual BRR ride. It's a bike ride from Perry to Rippey Iowa and back to Perry. 24 miles.
This ride is held no matter the weather. Today was comfortable with temps in the 30s, sunny and winds 10 to 15 during the ride.

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Debbie likes to wait next to the fireplace.
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My bike in 1967 as a 15 yo was my brother’s Yamaha 55. Years later I owned a Yamaha Thumper and then in 2020 got into bicycling. N+1 later, I now have a Kish titanium singlespeed, Rocky Mountain Altitude e-bike, Orbea road bike, DR650 and my current BMW R1100RS. Years of bikes, motos, teleskis, kayaks and sailboats have confirmed that I love things that lean. Clearly, this forum’s group have the same philosophy.

Just saw bmwdr’s post. Welcome! This thread is sporadic - this time of year doesn’t see a lot of posts because we aren’t all crazy like Lee. I convince myself that it is ok to just drink tea, sleep, and ride on the trainer while watching bike races. Not the most exciting stuff for photos.

I had never thought about the ‘lean’ aspect - by golly you are onto something. I like that same stuff.

If you have a chance to post some pictures of your rides, it would be appreciated by a few of us. Bonus points for getting both bikes and motos in the same shot.