Navigator VI (Nav-VI)...Tips and Tricks

Hello All,

I've done my best at reading through this extensive thread, as well as the Cardo & BMW/Garmin manuals, but admit I would fail a quiz on the subject! A casualty of the aging process perhaps...

In any event, I wonder if someone can jump in a quickly describe to me the [U]proper sequence of pairing[/U] I need to perform, to get my GPS, Headset, and iPhone to all play well with each other - on my particular bike. I do have the wonder wheel, but - as many of you no doubt know - in 2013 its only function was controlling the OEM Sound System.

Here's what I'm hoping I can achieve:
1. Cardo is able to provide turn by turn from GPS.
2. Cardo is able to accept "Hey Cardo" commands (20 are built in).
3. Cardo is able to accept "Hey Siri" commands to iPhone.
4. Cardo is able to communicate with passenger (Wife has PackTalk Bold headset too).
5. Cardo is able to participate in Mesh network of other riders in my group - so both I and passenger can communicate with group.
6. Cardo is able to play music from iPhone (I do not want or need it to play music from GPS)
7. Cardo is able to use iPhone for phone calls (incoming and outgoing).

Thanks!
Rocky Hayes

Rocky, unfortunately, I can't help you as I have no experience with Cardo, only with Sena, although, I will say that all of the things you listed should be able to be done with either the Cardo or Sena.

However, it appears while you didn't mention it explicitly, your 2013 RT has the OE radio/audio system. Can you confirm that?

Reason being is that there are issues with trying to have anything communicate and connect with devices if the bike has the BMW Audio system (it doesn't play nice with others). The presence of that system needs to be known by the troubleshooters here as it will help them tailor their response to your situation.

[QUOTE=rockfordhayes;1162160]Hello All,

I've done my best at reading through this extensive thread, as well as the Cardo & BMW/Garmin manuals, but admit I would fail a quiz on the subject! A casualty of the aging process perhaps...

In any event, I wonder if someone can jump in a quickly describe to me the [U]proper sequence of pairing[/U] I need to perform, to get my GPS, Headset, and iPhone to all play well with each other - on my particular bike. I do have the wonder wheel, but - as many of you no doubt know - in 2013 its only function was controlling the OEM Sound System.

Here's what I'm hoping I can achieve:
1. Cardo is able to provide turn by turn from GPS.
2. Cardo is able to accept "Hey Cardo" commands (20 are built in).
3. Cardo is able to accept "Hey Siri" commands to iPhone.
4. Cardo is able to communicate with passenger (Wife has PackTalk Bold headset too).
5. Cardo is able to participate in Mesh network of other riders in my group - so both I and passenger can communicate with group.
6. Cardo is able to play music from iPhone (I do not want or need it to play music from GPS)
7. Cardo is able to use iPhone for phone calls (incoming and outgoing).

Thanks!
Rocky Hayes[/QUOTE]

Rocky, I have a Cardo, Wethead and Android phone. I'm not sure you can achieve everything in your list. First, if not already done, update your Cardo to the latest software.

You have to choose Mesh or Bluetooth comms with others unless they all have Mesh compatible Cardos. Unless this was changed recently, music sharing is possible in Bluetooth mode only. It also prevents intercom requests from wife's Cardo.

Others may do it differently but here is what I do: 1- Start in mesh mode and pair with wife's Cardo. 2- Switch my Cardo in bluetooth mode. 3- Swithch wife's Cardo to Bluetooth and pair with wife's Cardo in Bluetooth in case she want's to listen to my music. 3- Pair Cardo with my Nav as a [B]GPS[/B]. 4- Pair cell to GPS. 5- Pair Cardo to cell as a [B]Cell[/B]. Use app (Cardo connect) on cell to manage Cardo. 6- Switch both Cardos to mesh mode. 7- In app, create and add riders to Mesh group.

Voice commands works (Hey Cardo) but I don't know about Hey Siri. I believe you must use the direct Bluetooth connection from Cardo to cell. I don't use that.
I prefer to answer calls through my Nav with accept and cancel button on display.

A picture is worth a thousand words. As Alan wrote, connection between helmet 2 and audio won't work unless it's a BMW comm.

[ATTACH]73501[/ATTACH]

You can workaround that limitation by sharing music through your Cardos.

[QUOTE=AlanColes;1162173]Rocky, unfortunately, I can't help you as I have no experience with Cardo, only with Sena, although, I will say that all of the things you listed should be able to be done with either the Cardo or Sena.

However, it appears while you didn't mention it explicitly, your 2013 RT has the OE radio/audio system. Can you confirm that?

Reason being is that there are issues with trying to have anything communicate and connect with devices if the bike has the BMW Audio system (it doesn't play nice with others). The presence of that system needs to be known by the troubleshooters here as it will help them tailor their response to your situation.[/QUOTE]

My bike DOES have the OEM sound system. I do not need it to interface with any of the other devices - indeed, I want to leave it powered off. Unlike newer models, my Wonder Wheel ONLY controls the audio functions of the OEM radio...

[QUOTE=patm;1162199]Rocky, I have a Cardo, Wethead and Android phone. I'm not sure you can achieve everything in your list. First, if not already done, update your Cardo to the latest software.

You have to choose Mesh or Bluetooth comms with others unless they all have Mesh compatible Cardos. Unless this was changed recently, music sharing is possible in Bluetooth mode only. It also prevents intercom requests from wife's Cardo.

Others may do it differently but here is what I do: 1- Start in mesh mode and pair with wife's Cardo. 2- Switch my Cardo in bluetooth mode. 3- Swithch wife's Cardo to Bluetooth and pair with wife's Cardo in Bluetooth in case she want's to listen to my music. 3- Pair Cardo with my Nav as a [B]GPS[/B]. 4- Pair cell to GPS. 5- Pair Cardo to cell as a [B]Cell[/B]. Use app (Cardo connect) on cell to manage Cardo. 6- Switch both Cardos to mesh mode. 7- In app, create and add riders to Mesh group.

Voice commands works (Hey Cardo) but I don't know about Hey Siri. I believe you must use the direct Bluetooth connection from Cardo to cell. I don't use that.
I prefer to answer calls through my Nav with accept and cancel button on display.[/QUOTE]

See, this is where my aging brain quickly hits redline!

I do have latest firmware on all devices, and I do have the Garmin Smart link, Cardo Connect & Smart Set apps installed. I need to learn how to do the Cardo/Bluetooth vs Cardo/Mesh ‘modes’ of pairing - that’s all brand new territory to me. Thanks for your effort to help!!

[QUOTE=patm;1162200]A picture is worth a thousand words. As Alan wrote, connection between helmet 2 and audio won't work unless it's a BMW comm.

[ATTACH]73501[/ATTACH]

You can workaround that limitation by sharing music through your Cardos.[/QUOTE]

Pat - help me understand: the #2 step in the drawing is completely skipped, correct?

[QUOTE=rockfordhayes;1162238]Pat - help me understand: the #2 step in the drawing is completely skipped, correct?[/QUOTE]
Yes. It's just that it will not work unless you have a BMW comm system.

[QUOTE=rockfordhayes;1162230]See, this is where my aging brain quickly hits redline!

I do have latest firmware on all devices, and I do have the Garmin Smart link, Cardo Connect & Smart Set apps installed. I need to learn how to do the Cardo/Bluetooth vs Cardo/Mesh ‘modes’ of pairing - that’s all brand new territory to me. Thanks for your effort to help!![/QUOTE]

This video explains it all, it should help you with the pairing:

[video=youtube;_ysN_JNrVKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ysN_JNrVKo[/video]

IMHO mesh or DMC is so much easier to connect/use but sometimes you have to use bluetooth.

Pairing a cell phone to your Cardo in cell phone mode:

[video=youtube;XZRAKd6fEW0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZRAKd6fEW0[/video]

Pairing to a GPS in GPS mode:

[video=youtube;YR9TY6nxAa4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR9TY6nxAa4[/video]

The MotoGeek videos are particularly helpful…
I decided to start by only attempting to connect the three components for one-up riding - I first pair the iPhone (as a phone) to the Cardo, and then pair the Nav 6 (as a GPS) to the Cardo. Everything works just as described in the videos.
However, with this set up there are at least two meaningful capabilities lost: 1. Phone controls from the Nav 6 screen, 2. use of Garmin Smart Link App – including real time traffic feed.
If I connect the Cardo to GPS, and then GPS to Phone, I lose at least two different meaningful capabilities: 1. Use of Cardo Connect App, and use of ‘Hey Siri.’
It seems there is no perfect – even with the latest greatest versions of these tech components. I guess I’ll experiment with both set ups and see which one I prefer. Then, I’ll tackle including my wife in the equation…
Thanks again for everyone’s help!

[QUOTE=rockfordhayes;1162352]...
If I connect the Cardo to GPS, and then GPS to Phone, I lose at least two different meaningful capabilities: 1. Use of Cardo Connect App, and use of ‘Hey Siri.’
It seems there is no perfect – even with the latest greatest versions of these tech components. I guess I’ll experiment with both set ups and see which one I prefer. Then, I’ll tackle including my wife in the equation…
Thanks again for everyone’s help![/QUOTE]

Not sure if it will work for the Cardo but I have my Sena 10U connected to the Nav VI and iPhone XS connected to the Nav VI. I can use "Hey Siri" by pushing the Phone Icon and then selecting Voice Dial on the next page and then say "Hey Siri" to dial a number.

Is there a way to turn down the DING! for traffic alerts? It's killing my ears. I can't find anything in the settings.

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I pick up a 2017 wethead RT at the end of the month.

This all seems overly complicated for me. I just want to ride, and don't want all the expense, pairing hassles or intrusion. I don't need music in my helmet, or voice commands, or have a need for rider to rider comms, as I ride solo. But I would prefer a standalone GPS. Is it worthwhile to get the Nav VI just to use as a visual navigation device? Or should I skip it and use my phone and Google Maps? That would not be my first preference but it's an option.

I'm being serious here, haha. Maybe I should stick to paper maps..