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Nicely stated.
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Philip Seymour Hoffman- dead at 46
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Nicely stated.
Great story! From the accounts that I've heard from people who lived in his area, he didn't put on airs. He was just one of the fathers in the neighborhood. Some didn't even know he was an actor.
LDB
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Flu is a disease. Arthritis is a disease. Diabetes is a disease. Cancer is a disease. You don't choose them. They choose you.
Addiction is a choice. Arguably if it's a disease it is a chosen disease. You don't "catch" addiction by touching the door handle at a restaurant. That's how you "catch" the flu.
Addiction is a choice. It is fully, absolutely, completely a choice to begin using dope. The dopes that choose to begin using make that choice fully on their own. If they are an addictive type they'll eventually become addicted. But it's initially completely their choice.
It's a shame for anyone to die but when it is by their own choice at their own hand it's more shame on them.
For those who want someone to really respect and honor here's someone exponentially more worthy.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/21/us/new-york-boy-saves-family-fire/
Addiction is a choice. Arguably if it's a disease it is a chosen disease. You don't "catch" addiction by touching the door handle at a restaurant. That's how you "catch" the flu.
Addiction is a choice. It is fully, absolutely, completely a choice to begin using dope. The dopes that choose to begin using make that choice fully on their own. If they are an addictive type they'll eventually become addicted. But it's initially completely their choice.
It's a shame for anyone to die but when it is by their own choice at their own hand it's more shame on them.
For those who want someone to really respect and honor here's someone exponentially more worthy.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/21/us/new-york-boy-saves-family-fire/
I heard about that on the news...what a remarkable kid. That is truly a sad event , and a tragic loss on so many levels. One of them being the world could use many more kids {and adults} like him...
I'm not a softy but I teared-up when I heard that one!
Rest in piece young man.......You have earned it!!!
http://debiehive.blogspot.com/2014/02/addiction-mental-health-and-society.html
Maybe it's even harder for a celebrity to deal with addiction because we as a society are so very hard on anyone who abuse drugs and then we hold celebrities to an even higher standard.
No easy solutions, surely. But understanding is a beginning. And the article I've cited above does a pretty good job at that.
IMHO.
Voni
A tragic dilemma concerning addiction... Did these folks choose?
The battle they still fight doesn't make Hollywood news.
Is your view different because they are not the privileged, or a alley living junkie?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military-july-dec13-veteransrx_12-07/
The battle they still fight doesn't make Hollywood news.
Is your view different because they are not the privileged, or a alley living junkie?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military-july-dec13-veteransrx_12-07/
One may not "choose" diabetes, but is one "addicted" to food and 50 pounds over weight, which is a major underlying factor for many diabetics. One may not "choose" to have cancer, but is one "addicted" to smoking, which is a major factor in numerous cancers. One may not "choose" to have arthritis, but does one tarry in an occupation or sport that facilitates its development? Not that I disagree with your initial choice comment when it comes to drugs. However, we are all driven to our choices by what we believe will achieve our goals...comfort, celebrity, competition, wages, escape and on and on....
mika
Still Wondering
Addiction as a term has a variety of meanings between the clinical uses and the every day American vernacular. The spectrum between them and how it is understood can be immense. Here is a reasonably well know and respected source in Fly Over Land that offers a series of pages to help people to dig into the subject.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/basics/definition/con-20020970
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/basics/definition/con-20020970
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nardowell
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chewbacca
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Moto, your lack of medical knowledge is absolutely amazing. I have adult onset diabetes. Being over weight does NOT cause diabetes. There are lots of genetic and environmental components to lots of diseases. Heroine addiction isn't caused by genetics, viruses, bacteria, etc. It boils down to bad choices and the guy paid for them. What makes Hoffman any different than any other junkie??? Yes, what a waste of talent. That goes for lots of junkies, if not talent, what a waste of a life. If he was so damn smart, why did he use drugs in the first place. No tears here!
akbeemer
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Causes of Type 2 Diabetes
WebMD
Diabetes is a number of diseases that involve problems with the hormone insulin. While not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and lack of physical activity are two of the most common causes of this form of diabetes.
No mention of the role of hubris in either disease.... addiction or diabetes.
WebMD
Diabetes is a number of diseases that involve problems with the hormone insulin. While not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and lack of physical activity are two of the most common causes of this form of diabetes.
No mention of the role of hubris in either disease.... addiction or diabetes.
CBS Sunday morning just had a real nice piece on Hoffman- this is an older interview from Mo Rocca
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/qa-with-philip-seymour-hoffman/
This is the page that should have the latest tribute from David Edelstein when it is posted later on-
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philip-seymour-hoffman-an-appreciation/
OM
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/qa-with-philip-seymour-hoffman/
This is the page that should have the latest tribute from David Edelstein when it is posted later on-
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philip-seymour-hoffman-an-appreciation/
OM
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fastdogs2
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Type 2 Diabetes
Akbeemer,
I'm not sure I understand your use of the word, "hubris," as associated with type 2 diabetes or addiction.
Hubris to me means overconfident pride or arrogance.
I see people every day who are obese, not exercising and not following any dietary restrictions, but they are healthy. While I personally don't think it is wise to be obese, abstain from exercise/proper diet, these folks seem to desire to follow that lifestyle.
I contracted type 2 diabetes as an adult and I was not overweight or sedentary. My ancestors had the disease, as well as arteriosclerosis and high blood pressure, with which I am also afflicted. I am certainly not "proud" or "arrogant" about having these diseases and would just as soon have never experienced them, but genetics dealt me this, so I live with it and try to control it with diet, exercise and medications.
If you are free of disease, then you are truly blessed, but those of us who have them would just as soon not. We are certainly not "proud" to have them.
Addiction, unlike type 2 diabetes is a choice. When you choose to ingest/inject/introduce addictive substances into your body, there can be no positive outcome.
Bill
Akbeemer,
I'm not sure I understand your use of the word, "hubris," as associated with type 2 diabetes or addiction.
Hubris to me means overconfident pride or arrogance.
I see people every day who are obese, not exercising and not following any dietary restrictions, but they are healthy. While I personally don't think it is wise to be obese, abstain from exercise/proper diet, these folks seem to desire to follow that lifestyle.
I contracted type 2 diabetes as an adult and I was not overweight or sedentary. My ancestors had the disease, as well as arteriosclerosis and high blood pressure, with which I am also afflicted. I am certainly not "proud" or "arrogant" about having these diseases and would just as soon have never experienced them, but genetics dealt me this, so I live with it and try to control it with diet, exercise and medications.
If you are free of disease, then you are truly blessed, but those of us who have them would just as soon not. We are certainly not "proud" to have them.
Addiction, unlike type 2 diabetes is a choice. When you choose to ingest/inject/introduce addictive substances into your body, there can be no positive outcome.
Bill
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that might be oversimplifying it a bit. I understand you premise, but addicts are seldom referred to as "choicers"
The practice of medical underwriting is the application of empirical results from actuarial studies involving large groups of individuals. From these studies we use a Rule of Large Numbers produced by the generalized and specific outcomes to form reasonable expectations. We know a certain like study group of varying sizes (typically the more the better), followed for X number of years, can produce certain meaningful, within reason conclusions about that group. The same thing can be said for impairments such as diabetes, Huntington's Chorea, overweight, smoking, motorcycle racing, drug abuse, Barlow's syndrome, levels of melanomas and on and on, found within that group. Application of these findings becomes more difficult when applied to individuals, but applied in measured subsets it can produce reasonable results. Reasonable enough to be profitable when applied to tens of billions of dollars at risk. It is within that scope that one realizes diseases and their contributing factors.
I'll stack my 35 years of medical underwriting experience against your comments any time. I did not say overweight caused diabetes, I said it can be a contributing factor in many cases, specially adult onset (Type II) diabetes. You may not be overweight, but weight is a primary factor in many cases. Could one say obese people have an addiction to food? Do you think there might be a correlation between our nation's increase in obesity and adult onset diabetes? Here is just one study that may help you have a better understanding. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10480769. There are many, many more you can obtain...please do...inform yourself and have a better quality of understanding, if not life.
My reference to drug use, I do not bleed for Mr. Huffman, in many ways I think him a fool. However, if you wish to understand the psychological aspects of drug addiction and how it plays in this "disease"...read to learn about it, don't just follow your "gut" reaction. Some of the same "addictions" that contribute to diabetes (overeating being one) can also contribute to other needs. Perhaps you are of such strong will you can not comprehend a lesser plane where doubt, self-esteem, lack of understanding, emotional dysfunction and on and on, can and does lead people to practice "habits" detrimental to them...be it contributing to a diabetic condition or being an abuser of "a different" path of escape.
The point of my post: to indicate there are many factors that contribute to what mankind may suffer, those contributing factors are NOT limited to any one area... I hope your reading this will at least let you search for a better understanding.
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Jeezze 
When I started this thread it was about the passing of an actor, an actor that I enjoyed seeing in movies- and now gone.
I don't know how it turned into the "I know more about addiction than you do thread".
Personal attacks about ones ability to Google/confirm information that is way off the topic will not be tolerated.
If you don't have the ability to make a post without belittling another- skip it.
Last warning.
Gary
When I started this thread it was about the passing of an actor, an actor that I enjoyed seeing in movies- and now gone.
I don't know how it turned into the "I know more about addiction than you do thread".
Personal attacks about ones ability to Google/confirm information that is way off the topic will not be tolerated.
If you don't have the ability to make a post without belittling another- skip it.
Last warning.
Gary
fastdogs2
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"Choicers"
I understand your point, as well. The mere definition of the word speaks of the inability to free oneself from the grasp of such an affliction.
My point is that there are many crossroads in life that people encounter, wherein there is an alternative path or "choice" involved. Our society appears to excuse all forms of bad judgement (choices) as beyond the control of the individual and are, therefore, unpreventable.
We have traffic signs that warn us of danger. If one fails to heed their warnings, are we say the "Stop, bridge out ahead," sign is to be blamed if the driver ignores it, "chooses" to proceed and plunges over the cliff? Do we campaign for better driver education, so future drivers will avoid such perils? Do we blame the driver's upbringing if he was raised in Kansas and never saw or was cognizant of mountains, cliff and perilous heights? Do we rush to equip all people with eyeglasses so they can better see the road ahead?
Those solutions are similar to what our society advocates about drug addiction and just like the traffic sign example solutions, they won't work. Philip Seymour Hoffman died tragically and it is a great loss to his family, friends and fans. Yes he was an "addict," but there was a point in his life that he made a "choice." Just like the driver who chose to proceed over the bridge that was out, regardless of the inherent danger ahead, Philip Seymour Hoffman chose to inject himself wih heroin, regardless of that inherent danger. He could have chosen not to stick the needle in his arm that very first time. After that initial bad judgement (choice) with heroin, he became an addict.
Bill
that might be oversimplifying it a bit. I understand you premise, but addicts are seldom referred to as "choicers"
I understand your point, as well. The mere definition of the word speaks of the inability to free oneself from the grasp of such an affliction.
My point is that there are many crossroads in life that people encounter, wherein there is an alternative path or "choice" involved. Our society appears to excuse all forms of bad judgement (choices) as beyond the control of the individual and are, therefore, unpreventable.
We have traffic signs that warn us of danger. If one fails to heed their warnings, are we say the "Stop, bridge out ahead," sign is to be blamed if the driver ignores it, "chooses" to proceed and plunges over the cliff? Do we campaign for better driver education, so future drivers will avoid such perils? Do we blame the driver's upbringing if he was raised in Kansas and never saw or was cognizant of mountains, cliff and perilous heights? Do we rush to equip all people with eyeglasses so they can better see the road ahead?
Those solutions are similar to what our society advocates about drug addiction and just like the traffic sign example solutions, they won't work. Philip Seymour Hoffman died tragically and it is a great loss to his family, friends and fans. Yes he was an "addict," but there was a point in his life that he made a "choice." Just like the driver who chose to proceed over the bridge that was out, regardless of the inherent danger ahead, Philip Seymour Hoffman chose to inject himself wih heroin, regardless of that inherent danger. He could have chosen not to stick the needle in his arm that very first time. After that initial bad judgement (choice) with heroin, he became an addict.
Bill
