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    Need a new bike....had an RT considering a 1600

    A month ago I had a bad accident with my RT and am currently in the hospital recovering. I will be okay but got some serious healing to do, sadly my 08 RT is in a better place now. I will ride again and want to give a fair shot at my options. I had over 90k km's on my bike and loved it.*Has anyone reading this gone from an RT to a 1600 and if so could you share your thoughts on good and bad?

    I currently am awaiting word on the 2014 RT not sure why its taking so long.... but since I have been waiting I got thinking maybe I should consider the 1600 also.

    So I appreciate any feedback...and it gives me something to do as I can't currently walk and won't be able to for a little while yet. Got a lot of time on my arse to read.

    Thanks for any input.

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    Heal quick, new RT's out in a few months
    Went from a 1200gs to the 1600. Weights more for sure, power comparison, their is none as the 1600 has it all
    I too am waiting to try the new RT, 100 pounds less weight 130hp may be the ticket, but the 1600 is sooo smooth

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    K1600gt

    Get well soon! Here's an idea,I bought a slightly used 2012 K1600GT with 6K miles. It is BMW #11 for me and bike #29. I kept my 2003 R1150RT, but have not ridden it since the purchase in June. I traded in a 2009 R1200GSA and a 1982 R100 RT that just didn't get ridden enough. I was waiting for the new RT but don't expect to see one until maybe December or later. Thought about the 2014 GT sport which is just now arriving but the GT I bought was loaded and cost less than all the above, but had a sticker of $28K. I am very happy with the GT and put 6K trouble free miles on in 100 days. I don't know if you have ridden one, but the test ride sold me. I had ridden the GTL and didn't really care that much for it. The GT feels right to me and the power is addictive. I don't really like riding some of my other bikes due to lack of power handling. I find the GT easier to handle in a parking lot than the GSA since I can get both feet firmly down and it does not feel as "tippy" as the GSA which fell over a few times due to not being able to support the weight and balance. Consider riding a used GT if you can locate one they represent a lot of value.
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    I have a 05 RT and am waiting for the new 14 RT's to come out. I have been thinking of riding a K1600. Which ever way I go, it will be our 4th BMW. Really, its a good thing to have the problem of deciding between a couple of cool bikes. Can't wait to ride the new wet head RT !
    Hope you get well soon ! Let us know which bike you choose.




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    Update ! Rode the K1600GTL today. Really like the bike, on the plus side.... super smooth engine, very easy to ride, great balance, fast, fun ! On the down side, lots more wind and wind noise than my RT, about 20mpg less than the RT, didn't seem to handle as well as the RT in the curves but that just might take some getting used to the bike. Overall a great machine, I like the K bikes but I think I love the R bikes. Based on this 1 hr. test ride, my wife and I think we will stay with the RT. Thats just our opinion, we know others would choose the K1600 but thats what makes the world go round.
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    Sounds like the OP and I are in similar situations. My new-to-me RT was totaled in a hit/run accident a couple of months ago, and I've been healing for the last 8 weeks. I had the same question (RT or GTL), and I got rid of my cane 2 weeks ago so my doctor said I could ride if I wanted. So today I test rode an RT and a GTL to answer the question to my satisfaction. I rode each about 45 minutes, mixed freeway and curvy roads. Enough to reacquaint myself with the RT and make an educated decision.

    RT and GT both have a more sporty position (and seat height) than the GTL, and I had been trying (with mixed success) to make the RT ergos work. I found the seating position on the GTL worked great for me. More upright, could flatfoot the bike (29" inseam), actually narrower at the seat (didn't spread my still-healing hips as far). The RT I tried had the low seat/low position which is advertised by BMW as having the same 29.5" seat hight as the GTL but the best I could do on the RT was put the balls of both feet on the ground. RT stock seat is considered by some (including me) to be a piece of ****. I never even noticed the GTL seat, which is a statement in itself. GTL pulls from idle, never needed to see 3500 RPM and still moved out smartly. Of course the RT doesn't really show any signs of life until 3500. The six will surely get your attention if you whack it open, though. I felt like I got more engine braking on the RT. The GTL is a couple hundred pounds heavier than the RT but still way lighter than the Goldwing I traded on the RT. Longer wheelbase made a noticible difference in ride, although neither matched the Lexus I drove to the dealer

    I didn't play too much with the various controls, although I did cycle through the modes (Rain, Normal, Dynamic) and there is a definite difference in throttle response. Not sure how much I'd use it though, probably just set it to Normal and leave it alone. Same with ESA - I'm not a good enough rider to really take full advantage of it. On my RT I just set it to normal, 1+luggage and left it alone. I like the RT's dedicated buttons for grip and seat heaters as opposed having to cycle through menus with the the wonderwheel on the GTL. The GTL relies much more on the wonderwheel than the RT, and I expect the RTW will be the same way when it's finally released. On the one hand it cuts down the button count, on the other you have to pay more attention to the dash instead of what's around you. Not good for the easily distracted.

    Mirrors on the RT showed my hands and the underside of my forearms, plus some of the road. Mirrors on the GTL were higher and much more useful, so I saw a little of my shoulder and much more road. Also, I didn't have to move my eyes so far from straight ahead to check the mirrors. I preferred looking over the RT windshield instead of through the one on the GTL. The K1600GT windshield is shorter and narrower than the GTL, and has a lowered center so you can look over it. The sales guy suggested buying one of each and using the GTL windshield for weather protection and the GT for hot weather. The air wings on the GTL are quite effective but increase the noise level noticeably. I usually wear earplugs but didn't for these rides. On the RT I mostly heard wind noise at a constant speed, on the GTL I heard the exhaust. The dealer sent me out with no panniers on either bike in case their demo bikes wanted to take a nap (they didn't), but I doubt if putting them back on would make much of a difference.

    I've been hearing complaints of driveshaft lash and transmission clunks on the GTL but didn't experience either on the one I rode. I thought the GTL shifted much better than the RT. Can't say I experienced either the buffeting some have reported on the GTL. There were neither crosswinds nor high-speed trucks on my ride so I have no opinion on the wandering in crosswinds or next to trucks that others have reported.

    The RT is fun to ride but doesn't fit me. The GTL just fits me out of the box. It's a different experience but one I think I'll enjoy more than the RT, given the way I use my bike. I plan to ride a GTL home next weekend.

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    Awesome info

    Thanks so much for the feedback so far. Extremely informative and words of support are always appreciated.

    Wbrownell9, yaaaa sounds like you got hammered too. At week 8 they say I may be able to put weight on one of my feet and start hard core therepy to get walking again....very frustrating. Excellant info though thanks so much and hope yoru healing is on schedule also.

    If anyone else has input I am still all ears. If I was to go the 1600 I thnk I would be more inclined to go to the GT I think, I am about 6' 1" so height isn't a big deal for me. RT has me folded a bit at times. I have read a lot of trash talk on the RT seat but in all honesty...I never had issue with it. I've done 5000 km long weekends too. I am a little concerned about the control wheel. I've heard about some fail issues on it and its pretty pricy. I have always loved the handling of the RT and a interested in if the ride in corners is comparable or better b one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yammer View Post

    I have always loved the handling of the RT and a interested in if the ride in corners is comparable or better b one or the other.

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    Just my opinion but the RT handles much better in the curves.



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    Quote Originally Posted by patiodadio View Post
    Just my opinion but the RT handles much better in the curves.

    +1 That said, I'm still going with the GTL because, much as I wish it were otherwise, the RT just wasn't working for me.

    Yammer, hope you heal fast and well, and are 100% by the time next year's riding season begins.

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    Great write-up on your experience with the K1600. I too found the GTL suited my riding style much better than the GT. It was easier on my aging framework and very comfortable to ride. There are some issues with longevity of electrical switches and water pumps but if you buy into one knowing about these matters you will not be surprised. The K1600 isn't a perfect motorcycle, but it is the best one out there for me at the present time. I am still not going to sell off thinking about the RTW though. I will have to try one out before doing that. The potential is there at 130 hp for a very spirited motorcycle. I doubt it will be as smooth an engine as the K1600, but one never knows. RT's always seem to handle much better due to less weight so a test ride will be in order to prove or disprove.

    Again, thanks for sharing your experience........

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    Great feedback

    Thanks again everyone for feed back and words of encouragement. I'm hoping to be able to try walking next week if the medical gods approve....interesting to see if these appendages still work (six weeks in a wheel chair does suck seriously).

    Does anyone have any idea when an announcment of the RTW may be made....even a best guess.....? it is so quiet on the subject....I am tired of all the links to the camoflaged ones in the parking lot in the video. Looks cool but how close to the end product are they. I have no problem finding info on the GT LOL.

    I also had taken a Ducati Mutistrada out for a test ride prior to the incident and must say it has some pony I liked it but too much sport for the current riding I am doing and forsee doing (long exploratory rides into twisty situations). The RT never let me down on long rides no matter what the weather and I have ridden in some nasty stuff. One of the guys in the local shop got taking to me about the new gs and how the new engine on it made it a completely new bike. I foresee that may be the story with the new RT as it should be the same engine. Just don't want the RT getting too big. This is where I hesitate with the GT....size. It sure is heavier. But any reviews I've read say it handles like a lot lighter bike. That is why I feel I should consider it. I had looked at the Triumph Trophy and it is such an RT knockoff I'm suprised they are not getting sued LOL. It does bug me that the press seems to have forgotten about the RT even going so far to compare the GT to the Trophy when that is not what it went against it was made to compete against the RT. The chief designer even admitted they used the best sport tour bike to model after....the RT. Did sit on one and it was a bit bigger feeling but no experience riding and know no one who has ridden on one. The british bike mags love it....of course....still bitter about the war thing I suspect LOL (yes an obvious bias).

    The more opinions of people riding the GT's the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yammer View Post
    Thanks again everyone for feed back and words of encouragement. I'm hoping to be able to try walking next week if the medical gods approve....interesting to see if these appendages still work (six weeks in a wheel chair does suck seriously).

    Does anyone have any idea when an announcment of the RTW may be made....even a best guess.....? it is so quiet on the subject....I am tired of all the links to the camoflaged ones in the parking lot in the video. Looks cool but how close to the end product are they. I have no problem finding info on the GT LOL.

    I also had taken a Ducati Mutistrada out for a test ride prior to the incident and must say it has some pony I liked it but too much sport for the current riding I am doing and forsee doing (long exploratory rides into twisty situations). The RT never let me down on long rides no matter what the weather and I have ridden in some nasty stuff. One of the guys in the local shop got taking to me about the new gs and how the new engine on it made it a completely new bike. I foresee that may be the story with the new RT as it should be the same engine. Just don't want the RT getting too big. This is where I hesitate with the GT....size. It sure is heavier. But any reviews I've read say it handles like a lot lighter bike. That is why I feel I should consider it. I had looked at the Triumph Trophy and it is such an RT knockoff I'm suprised they are not getting sued LOL. It does bug me that the press seems to have forgotten about the RT even going so far to compare the GT to the Trophy when that is not what it went against it was made to compete against the RT. The chief designer even admitted they used the best sport tour bike to model after....the RT. Did sit on one and it was a bit bigger feeling but no experience riding and know no one who has ridden on one. The british bike mags love it....of course....still bitter about the war thing I suspect LOL (yes an obvious bias).

    The more opinions of people riding the GT's the better

    Thanks again

    Yammer
    Ahhhhh Yes, the Ducati Multistrada! The only bike that could potentially tear my BMW away from me. The Multistrada is one very nice motorcycle and a pure gas to ride!!!

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by patiodadio View Post
    Just my opinion but the RT handles much better in the curves.



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    You guys with that opinion are a rather small group. If I consider my own experience and that of basically every motorjournalist and tester out there, there is no way I can agree with that. Yes, the K16 is rather heavy, but that weight totally vanishes once it is rolling. I am doing things with my GT, two-up,
    that I can not do with any other bike I ride or ever rode two-up, including the latest R1200RT.

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    Talking Better step up to get the new RT

    Both of my local dealers have been taking names and deposits for the new RT and GSAW since June. I would bet the original shipments are spoken for. I think there was a similar situation for the GSW when released. If you are going to want a bike in the Spring I would think you should talk to your dealer and let them know you are interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patiodadio View Post
    Just my opinion but the RT handles much better in the curves.
    Just picked up my GTL Saturday. Guess how I found out there are no peg feelers! Great ride.

    I made the right choice.

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