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    Quote Originally Posted by natrab View Post
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    Well, according to the RepROM, the gear oil is Castrol SAF-XO. It doesn't even specify the weight or any other details or specs. Nowhere in the user's manual does it state what type of transmission oil to use. Notice how for engine oil they can say they recommend Castrol, but don't mandate it. The way they specify it for the transmission oil (and final drive) seems to make it mandatory.

    Now Castrol doesn't sell SAF-XO here in the states. Only BMW does, branded in their own bottle. If I were to use something else (say any type of GL5 75W90 gear oil) and my transmission were to fail while under warranty, they could simply say I was using the wrong transmission oil as specified by their service manual. So as far as I can see, the only safe route for me is to pick up the BMW gear oil. Thankfully it appears to have had the price reduced as early reports showed it selling at around $50 a liter.

    Oh, and here's something funny. Looking at my older RepROM (pre-camhead version), here's what it specifies for the 05-09 RTs:

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    In the old RepROM it specifies GL-5 SAE 90 gear oil. In the new version it specifies the SAF-XO for the same bike's gear oil. It's clear they just decided to list that one specifically for all gear/final drive oil. Notice even in the old RepROM it specified the final drive oil as SAF-XO (due to the "lifetime" fill I suppose).
    If it is GL 5 Synthetic-You are right on.No mather who produces it.Standard fits---goes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyman.winn View Post
    another confirmation...

    BMW Motorcycles says Mother BMW recommends BMW SAF-XO for the FD and gearbox....$22.15/liter and BMW Semi-Syn HP Engine Oil SAE15W50 for the motor....$10.97/qt....

    just purchased the 24,000 mile "kit"....oil, filter, crush washers for crankcase, gearbox, o-ring and seal for FD, spark plugs, generator/alternator belt....total including tax was $216.57....

    24k mile in less than an year....!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodadd View Post
    According to a web search Castrol Syntrax is available at Auto Zone for $10/32 oz bottle. FWIW

    And, you're right about enforcement of the MM act. I used to own a Kia Sorrento and when it came time to service the transmission I discovered that you could only use Kia transmission fluid. It is specially formulated and nothing else works. A clear and obvious violation of federal law, but nonetheless that's the way it is.
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    They can and they do say you have to use the product and it's legal to do so as long as you or your independent mechanic have access to it.

    It's not exclusive specification that's the problem, it would be exclusive availability. The latter is a restraint of trade. The former isn't. I suspect the price should be reasonable and it is.

    It's simply ridiculous to think somebody is getting away with a legal violation.

    Don't think there's any guarantee that Castrol Syntrax from Europe is same as Castrol Syntrax from PepBoys. I imagine the PepBoys bottles indicate "made in USA" and that that means it's not the same. This is an exclusive formula for BMW (and formerly Land Rover during the BMW ownership era) and I suspect you could check at a BMW car dealer, where the mantra is still "lifetime." At the BMW car dealer there are two versions, i.e. limited slip and not. A formula exclusively for BMW does not fit the usual PepBoys marketing strategy. Syntrax is simply a trademark registered by Castrol and that registration does not obligate them to put the same stuff in every bottle with that label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    They can and they do say you have to use the product and it's legal to do so as long as you or your independent mechanic have access to it.

    It's not exclusive specification that's the problem, it would be exclusive availability. The latter is a restraint of trade. The former isn't. I suspect the price should be reasonable and it is.

    It's simply ridiculous to think somebody is getting away with a legal violation.

    Don't think there's any guarantee that Castrol Syntrax from Europe is same as Castrol Syntrax from PepBoys. I imagine the PepBoys bottles indicate "made in USA" and that that means it's not the same. This is an exclusive formula for BMW (and formerly Land Rover during the BMW ownership era) and I suspect you could check at a BMW car dealer, where the mantra is still "lifetime." At the BMW car dealer there are two versions, i.e. limited slip and not. A formula exclusively for BMW does not fit the usual PepBoys marketing strategy. Syntrax is simply a trademark registered by Castrol and that registration does not obligate them to put the same stuff in every bottle with that label.
    Basically,that is what I am talking abouth.
    You can use ANY oil if you are in specs recommended.There is no holly god's oil for our bikes.Just got to fallow recommended specs.BMW recommending his own oil is a simple BS/busyness/.BTW why don't you check out a real oil definitions from first hand on internet,coming from oil experts,cheef enginers at MOBIL orSHELL and/or CASTROL itself.???And again,check out trucks oil or HD fleet oils what they are saying of those oils.You will be supriced!!HD oils are the most durable ouls compared to oils from the shelf.BEST oils available today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    They can and they do say you have to use the product and it's legal to do so as long as you or your independent mechanic have access to it.

    It's not exclusive specification that's the problem, it would be exclusive availability. The latter is a restraint of trade. The former isn't. I suspect the price should be reasonable and it is.

    It's simply ridiculous to think somebody is getting away with a legal violation.

    Don't think there's any guarantee that Castrol Syntrax from Europe is same as Castrol Syntrax from PepBoys. I imagine the PepBoys bottles indicate "made in USA" and that that means it's not the same. This is an exclusive formula for BMW (and formerly Land Rover during the BMW ownership era) and I suspect you could check at a BMW car dealer, where the mantra is still "lifetime." At the BMW car dealer there are two versions, i.e. limited slip and not. A formula exclusively for BMW does not fit the usual PepBoys marketing strategy. Syntrax is simply a trademark registered by Castrol and that registration does not obligate them to put the same stuff in every bottle with that label.
    And it would be interesting to see how they would explain in court how Mobil 1 caused a final drive failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibz View Post
    Basically,that is what I am talking abouth.
    You can use ANY oil if you are in specs recommended.There is no holly god's oil for our bikes.Just got to fallow recommended specs.BMW recommending his own oil is a simple BS/busyness/.BTW why don't you check out a real oil definitions from first hand on internet,coming from oil experts,cheef enginers at MOBIL orSHELL and/or CASTROL itself.???And again,check out trucks oil or HD fleet oils what they are saying of those oils.You will be supriced!!HD oils are the most durable ouls compared to oils from the shelf.BEST oils available today.

    BRGDS,
    Steve
    I did research for months!!I do not feel crasy enough to use some oil in my bike/love it soooooo much/wich could damage the engine or trany and FD.Up to you, go for the research find it out for youself.

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