I would LIKE the MOA to be an advocate for its members concerning possible manufacture defects.
I would NOT like the MOA to be an advocate for its members concerning possible manufacture defects
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I voted no. Hire a lawyer.............
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As a long time BMW CCA member, the car club has within it an advocate who will go to bat for the customer with BMWNA. For some misguided reason, some of the MOA have the idea that BMWNA is a shrine which can never be questioned even when they are full of BS. As for me, i'm not buying that line of crap. Good business ethics should damn well be on the agenda of the club and we should have the courage to go nose to nose with BMW if they are not treating one of our members fairly. As I learned in Viet Nam, If you don't take care of those in your unit, what good are you?
Why do you call us misguided? We're not dealing with hard facts, but with member's wishes and opinions, hence, everyone's opinion is valid for them. If someone doesn't want us to take a combative posture with BMW, that's fine, as is your own misguided statement.
Sorry I think Mr 3hawks is not misguided in the least. If the MOA had any huevos it would stand on its hind legs and ROAR back at the NA. Again, just my opinion.
Marty - in the western Oregon mountains.'06RT, (gone '04RT, '86 Venture Royal, '81 Yamaha Virago920, '82Suzuki GS1100GK, '76 Suzuki GT750, Triumph 750 Bonneville, BSA Road Rocket 650, 61" Harley knucklehead)
I think this gentleman actually makes a great deal of sense.
I am asking for purely for information and clarification. Can someone put some actual information about what the BMW CCA Ombudsman's role is in reality or point me in the direction of literature source or person?
The very statement someone made about not wanting to get involved in a combative stance says it all. For some reason we are deemed combative even if the issue is legitimate. Members really need to look at this statement and determine how much sense it makes. I'm the first to admit it is incomprehensible to me why BMW wouldn't look combative but obviously that point of view has little support. Time to stop beating a dead horse.
I have repeatedly praised their product many, many times. I have even stood up for them when it was obvious a customer was going overboard and not giving them the opportunity to correct the problem. I have also criticized them when it has been appropriate. I have presented a fair and balanced story from both sides of the fence. Are we not allowed to present 2 sides to the story without fear of retribution? Is that the BMW you've come to know and love? One thing you personally don't know with certainty is how honest I am being other than me telling you. I don't expect anyone to believe me just because my lips are moving. I do expect intelligent people to do the appropriate research into what I'm saying. You might be surprised as to what you learn. I do expect other BMW riders in a BMW owners group to have empathy for their fellow riders when justified. Not for every nickel and dime or couple hundred dollar problem that exists. But real problems that go well beyond anticipated rates of failure. Think a 6-cylinder that smokes worse than a 2-stroke. Could the customer have done something to cause that. Of course! But what if he didn't? What if it was your bike? I do expect others to give possible consideration to someone with 30 years experience who has presented a two-sided story from the moment I joined MOA. I don't present garbage and in fact have supported some of the statements with stories from the Wall Street Journal. If what I'm saying is correct every member of this organization should be filled with righteous anger.
Believe it or not you can still enjoy riding your BMW! I do. I love my bike and I put thousands of trouble free miles on it. I love RT's; think their one of the best bikes on the planet. But please have empathy for your fellow riders that need help in the form of serious numbers of people. NA is not going to crack over individuals. We have the means to amass thousands through this group. But if no one cares nothing will get done for many of these people. Someone needs to be on the side of people with legitimate problems where failures are much higher than anticipated. That someone should be us.
And then come back to me and let's talk.
I am a big boy and can fight my own battles. I have yet to lose against a supplier of a defective product and that includes GM, BMW, VW, Volvo, Mercedes and Ford.
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To the second underlined point: You offered no answer to my posted question. Rather, you argue with me and used the remainder of your post, and several others, to launch a diatribes on those you don't agree with, then ask us to reflect how much sense it makes to think of you and some of your allies as combative? Really?