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    Quote Originally Posted by GILLY View Post
    Looks just like mine except Mischlers had the trunk all installed already, you going to get a trunk? Really happy with how everything fits in to the space I have for commuting. I picked it up a week ago (last Saturday), temp never got over 40 degrees on the 70 mile trip home, but was fine, felt better with my feet forward, wind always trying to blow up my pants leg when in the lower spot.
    So far was able to commute Monday and Tuesday this week, what rotten weather we've been having! Got caught up in all the mess driving the bus to OHare this week, took it for a little swim on 72 (Higgins) during the storm, reminded me of being in New Orleans a couple days after Katrina with the bus.
    No I'll likely test those pillion handles and strap a Helen's bag when I take it to the GR3.
    You going?
    Yes I like the boards my feet have lots of options.
    Added a Nav IV.
    IIRC this engine was spec'd by BMW but is produced for them by Kymco.
    Oh and the ABS works well, don't ask me how I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wezul View Post
    No I'll likely test those pillion handles and strap a Helen's bag when I take it to the GR3.
    You going?
    Yes I like the boards my feet have lots of options.
    Added a Nav IV.
    IIRC this engine was spec'd by BMW but is produced for them by Kymco.
    Oh and the ABS works well, don't ask me how I know.
    Nope, not much of a rally rat at all. I've been to I guess 3 nationals, DuQuoin, Fredricksburg TX (for some odd reason), and West Bend, the first 2 I camped 1 night each, and West Bend was a day trip. I like the "riding to" but not much on the "staying" and just don't socialize that well. I think I went to GRRR once and stayed around for an hour, that would have been later 1980s. Once in awhile I go to a bike night type event, those are OK.

    Yes I've read the articles on Kymco making much or all of the driveline but to BMW spec.

    I might want to have some work done on the cvt later on, I guess this is common in scooter circles. Just a little too much wind-up for my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GILLY View Post
    I might want to have some work done on the cvt later on, I guess this is common in scooter circles. Just a little too much wind-up for my taste.
    I've heard about a JCosta kit. I'm leaving the bike alone until I'm out of warranty.
    I don't really notice all that much shake but once you give the clutch control over likely somebody isn't going to like the take up.
    Three hours continuous riding yesterday, stock seat seems OK but after 3 I was ready to stretch my legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiminsf View Post
    No insult intended here either, was just flagging that this probably isn't the ideal spot for what you said you were looking for! (The overlap of BMW riders and little scooter owners doesn't strike me as all that large, and you're not actually asking anyone for the info suggested by the thread title.) I was serious when I said try Modern Vespa - it's a very active forum for riders of smaller scooters (but all sizes welcome) and you'll no doubt get a ton of useful info there.
    Yes the Modern Vespa site is a good one & actually there is overlap of sizes as people own more than one or move up.etc. I just talked to an ebay seller today thats in process on just that. Seems scoot people are often former/current MC riders & also many that never owned a MC or small scoot. It flys all over. ADV Battle Scooters is represents more that have ridden MC's before, like here. My question was designed to have an air of the "Why Factor" that would pull out some serious discussion on BMW & other scoot models too. Some other pretty good scoot sites are Scooter therapy,Scooter Shack ,Maxi scoot,Just Gotta Scoot . The Brits have several too.
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    Have to agree that Battle Scooters in advrider is nize.
    When I need a real good laugh I slide into Head Xplody and try not to wet myself laughing.
    But I digress . . .
    Lots of input from all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    Yes the Modern Vespa site is a good one & actually there is overlap of sizes as people own more than one or move up.etc. I just talked to an ebay seller today thats in process on just that. Seems scoot people are often former/current MC riders & also many that never owned a MC or small scoot. It flys all over. ADV Battle Scooters is represents more that have ridden MC's before, like here. My question was designed to have an air of the "Why Factor" that would pull out some serious discussion on BMW & other scoot models too. Some other pretty good scoot sites are Scooter therapy,Scooter Shack ,Maxi scoot,Just Gotta Scoot . The Brits have several too.
    Well, for my own part, I wanted something with enough HP to be entirely comfortable flowing with traffic moving at higher speeds - if you've ever ridden on the freeways in Los Angeles, which I do, you may not want a scooter that is anywhere near topped out at 70mph, and I found that even some of the 500s and the Silver Wing were not really powerful enough for my liking in this regard. I also really wanted modern safety features including ABS and TPMS, and didn't like the handling of smaller wheeled scooters as much, coming from larger wheeled motorcycles with more gyroscopic stability from the wheels, etc., and found that the BMW handled noticeably better than other scooters I'd tried. The electric screen is also really nice, you may not realize how much you use this until you have one (I certainly didn't), but being able to change where the wind is going based on the weather (warm/cold, dry/rain) is actually kind of a big deal. The OEM integrated GPS/comm is really nice too. Basically, what I wanted was the features of a full sized touring motorcycle but in a slightly smaller scooter form factor, and the 650GT is just the ticket in this regard IMHO. It's big for a scooter but it's still 200 lbs lighter and 4" narrower than a K1600, I have no problem at all with it in the city, it handles amazingly, and it has enough power to be entirely comfortable in loaded touring at speed.

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    What he said!
    Well done.

    BTW I think I'm on to something with the stock clutch take-up. If I am a bit more aggressive on the throttle at launch then roll it back just a little the clutch seems to grab more quickly.

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    What he said is my notion on a scoot. Given the fact that the only way I can leave Dodge is on a hwy and that I want to get some vibes from a scoot too, engine size is a must for me. FWIW, and God forbid that I have to live that way-absolutely no offense meant whatsoever!!!-I have ridden & driven in most big cities except NYC which I prefer to sneak up on in a bus then get out and roller my luggage to the hotel.
    My real question was purposed to squeeze out what a BMW scoot will that I cannot get from , say, a BV350 that's a little over $5k. I really like the aesthetics of the classic Vespa vs the "jet ski look" of most touring worthy scoots. Those little wheels worry me! I can see ABS being a help on a scoot tire. The Kymco only offers it via the 13" tire on one model. I'm riding one soon so we'll see. Thanks for the comments so far. Other than a Vino 49cc that I bought as a fix & sell I have never owned or ridden a scoot except for rentals in some palm tree locales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    What he said is my notion on a scoot. Given the fact that the only way I can leave Dodge is on a hwy and that I want to get some vibes from a scoot too, engine size is a must for me. FWIW, and God forbid that I have to live that way-absolutely no offense meant whatsoever!!!-I have ridden & driven in most big cities except NYC which I prefer to sneak up on in a bus then get out and roller my luggage to the hotel.
    My real question was purposed to squeeze out what a BMW scoot will that I cannot get from , say, a BV350 that's a little over $5k. I really like the aesthetics of the classic Vespa vs the "jet ski look" of most touring worthy scoots. Those little wheels worry me! I can see ABS being a help on a scoot tire. The Kymco only offers it via the 13" tire on one model. I'm riding one soon so we'll see. Thanks for the comments so far. Other than a Vino 49cc that I bought as a fix & sell I have never owned or ridden a scoot except for rentals in some palm tree locales.
    I haven't ridden one so I can't speak to handling, but the BV350 seems fantastic, make no mistake (though I admit I'm not a huge fan of that look - color me irrationally swayed by the charms of the BMW in this regard, though I think Vespas are gorgeous too).

    It does, however, top out 20mph or so lower than the BMW (Piaggio says 86mph), which you would expect at half the HP of course, and if you're ever going to ride in places where traffic may be flowing at 80mph, that's not enough oomph for me. It also has less storage (one full face helmet under the seat vs. two - and I regularly fill my under seat storage and top case to 100% full grocery shopping, etc.), no TPMS (I'm assuming the ones they sell here have ABS - they do in Europe but I seem to recall discussion of this being withheld here at some point, so if not, that's a showstopper for me), no adjustable windscreen, etc. But the biggest deal by far is just size/power (and I suppose for me, handling and feeling more like a motorcycle, though others may not care about this).

    For many riders, this would be a totally ideal scoot, and at a little more than half the price of the BMW, clearly a comparative bargain. If you're planning to spend a nontrivial amount of time on roads with 65-70+mph speed limits and traffic flowing even faster though, this may not be quite enough (and, I'm speculating now, the bike may not be designed for ideal stability at it's top speed either, esp. riding in high winds as sometimes happens on long highway stretches, and independently of that, you may not feel entirely comfortable riding at near WOT for long periods). I would suggest lots of demo rides!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22600 View Post
    Actually, for the city, all you need is a 125cc. If you want to get on the freeway, then get the 250 to 300cc. If you want something bigger, the 400 Burgman will take you and your close friend anywhere you want to go; you don't have to have a high priced 600 or bigger to do that.

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    Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregbenner View Post
    Why would anyone buy ANY BMW? (LOL)
    Because some have a need for something bigger between their legs. But, I was just talking scooters here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    , 13" wheels(wider) & different body style.
    If I were going the urban scoot machine route I'd buy a Yamaha or Kymco People 200i from what I've seen while looking larger.
    That is the $50 question and answer, tire size. If you are going with most scooters, burgman 650 included, the tire size is a determining factor in how long it last and the quality. you are spending more money for the BMW, which is the original question, because of upgrades for highway style high speed driving. the 15" tires will last longer than the smaller 13"s. This is why some burgman people put car tires on thier bikes, while i don't agree with this, they claim it performs just as well. With the BMW you are getting upgrades such as: 15" pirelli diablos (no chicken strips on mine), stainless steel brake lines, ABS (standard), upgraded suspension. just to put a few items out there. most of which the soon to be released 2013 Burg 650 will not come iwth in the USA, estimates and only a few hundred less.

    If you are mostly on highway, yes the Kymco (bmw engine maker) has highway speed, but in emergency, how well does it stop, or accelerate to get out of the way. I have dyno'd my BMW sport at 47hp (at the wheel) stock, and have since upped it to 50hp with aftermarket pipe. It is in the dyno shop this week to tune the PC V, why(?) I like pissing of sportbikes and Hardley riders, passing them at 95, he he

    For me, it's a choice of quality and power, I am not concerned about the price. If money is the holding point, don't bother with it.
    I hope this helps anyone out there, the simple fact is whatever you decide I hope you are happy with it, and enjoy scooting. thats the most important decision.

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    The Kymco 700 is coming America

    We have the Kymco 700i here in Taiwan but I just read it will be sold in the U.S. in 2013. Pretty nice bike; it puts out 60hp and has ABS. I have not ridden one but it's much less expensive than the BMW scoot here. A new BMW scoot will cost you about $18,000 usd here and the Kymco is about $9 grand or less.


    kantuckid, did you ever get you a scoot yet? Let us know.

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    For me my maxi scooter (in the past a Burgman 650 Ex) is my main commuting vehicle. In the last 5 months I have taken my truck to work 3 times. I ride 70 miles a day which is better than driving 70 miles a day ( well...to be honest a 6.0 liter 450 HP 6 speed manual can be pretty fun!). I can ride the HOV lanes solo at 70 to 75 mph so I not only save time but I can take I-95 instead of the Sawgrass Expressway and save $4 per day on tolls.

    I can fit my laptop, change of clothes, rain gear and a hard hat in the scooter no problem.

    I'm getting about 54 mpg...my 06 SSR gets about 18. Driving the SSR I use about 4 gallons a day, with the scooter less than 1.5 gallons a day. That is a difference of 12.5 gallons per week or at $4 per gallon $50 per week and $20 per week on tolls it is $70 less a week to take the scooter. That's a difference of about $3,500 per year.

    Yes there is money spent on gear, tires etc...but I would need to do that with my truck more often. A set of tires for that is about $1,200.

    So another way to look at it for me is that I bought a relatively cheap commuter vehicle with low operating cost
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    I've currently got scoot fever. It's a disease possibly that's only cured by a machine purchase & in full view of my wife who thinks one is too many( I have several) when it comes to 2 wheels, except bikes, & to her that means "with pedals"!
    I've been on "Battle Scooters" on ADV and mfgs websites & currently seeking other good scoot forums for info???
    So far what cranks my crank: (& w/o a ride & other than 49cc scoots) I've focused on the Aprilia in 250's & the Piaggio BV 250/300/350 & their Scarabeo & the Kymco People GT 300i. I'm going to ride a People 200cc (too small for my use) just for what it says about that brand and its close to me. The BMW scoots & Burgmans & a few others don't fill my niche as too big & hvy and BMW is waaayyy too pricey too. I'm attracted to the 16" wheel scoots that are larger engines but smaller tupperware & wheelbase. The Kymco with Bosch ABS looks like a good machine but another larger one.
    I'm trying to stimulate some useful discussion here toward my search for a scoot & to hopefully discover suggestions for other scoot forums with a decent activity level.
    so...this is a BMW MOA Forum. If you want to have a discussion about kymco, vespa or others - GO TO THOSE FORUMS.

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