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    That's what happens when you elect socialist governments. I'm sure we're not far behind.
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    Baloney. I don't think that has anything to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    That's what happens when you elect socialist governments. I'm sure we're not far behind.
    Yep, the socialists always let the corporate capitalists overcharge the proletarian masses for everything. it's possible that you may be slightly confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    That's what happens when you elect socialist governments. I'm sure we're not far behind.
    I do hope you are joking. If not, do some research.

    The current government north of you is _anything_ but socialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Wanderer View Post
    Yes there is. Pretty much ANY USA manufacturer will provide a letter of compliance or warranty recall document to a purchaser wishing to export a vehicle. For most US vehicles this information is public knowledge and can be found on the DOT site.

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    Yes, but here we are talking IMPORT of a non-U.S. manufactured vehicle.
    The vehicle meets all DOT and EPA standards that were in place at the time the vehicle was manufactured and yet you still can not bring it into the U.S. if you don't have documents that will prove excatly that.
    That's actually the sore point. The manufacturer refuses to certify that the specific vehicle is exactly like the ones that they import into the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    That's what happens when you elect socialist governments. I'm sure we're not far behind.
    Read the previous post (post #15), then you'll realize the real reason has nothing to do with governments, but with corporate decisions, and in this case, it's BMWNA.

    IMO, it's not Socialism, Capitalism, etc that's bad. It's the people in charge that screw up the system and it doesn't matter whether or not it's socialism or capitalism. But, that discussion is bordering political issues, which is a taboo subject here, so that's all I'm going to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88bmwJeff View Post
    Read the previous post (post #15), then you'll realize the real reason has nothing to do with governments, but with corporate decisions, and in this case, it's BMWNA.

    IMO, it's not Socialism, Capitalism, etc that's bad. It's the people in charge that screw up the system and it doesn't matter whether or not it's socialism or capitalism. But, that discussion is bordering political issues, which is a taboo subject here, so that's all I'm going to say.
    And thank you for explaining that. This is not a matter of gov't regulations or your choice of a leftist or rightist gov't at all. In addition to what 88bmwJeff is saying, BMW corporate is purposely withholding warranty documents for the sole reason of protecting a price structure across the Americas. Given the valuation of NA currencies right now and free trade agreements in place there is no other reason for them to be doing so.

    I for one fail to understand why BMW Canada or BMW Mexico even exists other than to manage franchises and create protectionism. Centralizing parts and vehicle distribution for all on NA but having warehousing in all three NA countries would create not just efficiency but savings for all concerned.
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    The only reason for my comment had to do with what I presume to be onerous import taxes, and VAT related taxes. If I wrong, OK, I'm wrong. The only other reason would be is that BMW is setting higher product prices is Canada and I don't see why they would do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    The only reason for my comment had to do with what I presume to be onerous import taxes, and VAT related taxes. If I wrong, OK, I'm wrong. The only other reason would be is that BMW is setting higher product prices is Canada and I don't see why they would do that.
    Last night I watched a Canadian show "Marketplace" that I had recorded. The fact is that damn near everything is more expensive in Canada than the US. The difference ranges from +25% to +130%, the latter figure for Bayer asperin! It seems it is the international companies, not Canadian retailers, that are ripping us off. Haven't compared BMW prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    The only reason for my comment had to do with what I presume to be onerous import taxes, and VAT related taxes. If I wrong, OK, I'm wrong. The only other reason would be is that BMW is setting higher product prices is Canada and I don't see why they would do that.
    BMW moto's cost less in the US than in any of the 25 countries that I've been to. Sometimes due to taxes, sometimes not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martyhill View Post
    BMW moto's cost less in the US than in any of the 25 countries that I've been to. Sometimes due to taxes, sometimes not.
    Some dealers claim that is due to sales volume but sales are very high in Europe also so that explanation does not add up. It's just marketing pure and simple. They know some countries will pay more so they charge more. Cross border shopping in Canada is rampant now with the dollar at par. People are choosing to buy over the internet more and more also so the big corporations will have to straighten this out sooner or later. Vehicles especially have been a sore point for a very long time.

    But going back to the OP bringing a bike in from Brazil. BMW denying warranty recall letters to consumers should be illegal IMO. Consumers should have the right to this information no matter where they live since it is about safety. What they are doing is not just market protection it is a sort of price fixing too. Not good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Wanderer View Post
    But going back to the OP bringing a bike in from Brazil. BMW denying warranty recall letters to consumers should be illegal IMO. Consumers should have the right to this information no matter where they live since it is about safety. What they are doing is not just market protection it is a sort of price fixing too. Not good!
    Quote Originally Posted by lkraus View Post
    The certifications I've seen say the vehicle meets emission standards applicable on the production date, at which point the vehicle has always been under their control. By the time the vehicle is sold in another country and imported, the manufacturer would be issuing a certification on a used vehicle, which might have been modified after it left the factory. It's not worth their time or expense to inspect and verify the condition of the vehicle, which is why there are independent companies who perform that task, and charge accordingly.
    I think lkraus has the better argument. The certification asserts that the bike now meets a specific standard. The reality is that once the bike is sold to its first owner, the bike is out of the manufacturer's hands, and anything goes. Why, I've even heard that BMW bike owners sometimes actually modify their bike's ignition and FI and exhaust systems!

    In addition to the competition-with-self reason I previously mentioned, if I were in business I'd be very reluctant to certify that a product that'd been in a customer's hands for some period of time still met the standards to which it was originally constructed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martyhill View Post
    BMW moto's cost less in the US than in any of the 25 countries that I've been to. Sometimes due to taxes, sometimes not.
    There are only two economic reasons for a price differential like this; taxes and demand per unit. So what do you think it is ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    There are only two economic reasons for a price differential like this; taxes and demand per unit. So what do you think it is ?
    My guess would be...sometimes both. You charge what they are willing to pay. If you guess wrong, you have a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    There are only two economic reasons for a price differential like this; taxes and demand per unit. So what do you think it is ?
    If you define "demand per unit" as depending on competitive pricing in the specific market, this will be the reason.
    German cars are significantly less expensive in the U.S. than in Germany, comparing apples to apples, i.e.: identically equipped models.
    If they would be priced like there with the Euro price converted to U.S. Dollars, the German manufacturers would probably sell 40% less vehicles here.
    The same is true for BMW motorcycles.

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