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    Feds probe BMW motorcycles for fuel leak problems

    From today's Columbus, OH, Dispatch newspaper:

    Federal safety regulators are investigating older BMW R-Series motorcycles for gasoline leaks that could cause fires.

    The probe affects about 24,000 motorcycles from the 2005 through 2008 model years sold in the U.S.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says the housing around the fuel pump can crack and leak gasoline. No fires or injuries have been reported, but the safety agency has received 28 complaints from owners of the bikes. At least two owners say that gas soaked their pant legs.

    Investigators will check into how often the leaks happen and determine if a recall is necessary.
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    How about ABS!!!!!!!

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    This is the hexhead fuel pump assembly cover fitting cracking issue ("fixed" in later camheads, such as my '12 R12RT by a different configuration of the cover).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenduddhist View Post
    ... the housing around the fuel pump can crack and leak gasoline. No fires or injuries have been reported, but the safety agency has received 28 complaints from owners of the bikes. At least two owners say that gas soaked their pant legs.
    Good! I was one of those 28 people who took the time to file a report.

    This recently happened to me on my HP2e and thanks to help received here and on ADVrider, I was able to avoid having to buy a **$550 freakin' dollar*** part to fix it.

    The cracks are caused by an incorrect application of tapered threads, and BMW should replace this part on all affected models. I had to ride my bike out of the woods in TN and 150 miles back to Atlanta with gas shooting out like a squirt gun because I had no other way to get home.

    Curiously, the replacement part had a metal ring affixed to the flange to keep the plastic from cracking. Nothing like a band-aid fix, eh?

    Beemer Boneyard sells a CNC-cut part for $35 that squeezes the flange to seal the cracks, and this along with some Yamabond case sealant and new metal quick disconnects has solved the problem. Sorta... this is basically jerry-rigged and I'd rather not be riding my bike with a fix like this, but $550 just isn't in the picture at this point in time.

    Looking back through the thread on ADVrider, the part in question has increased in price from about $250 to $550 over the period of just two years.

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    Ian: could you post a link to the ADVrider thread?

    Is this the fuel system componenet that sits in the well at the left front of the tank?

    I had the one on my bike inspected and sealed by Anderwerks as part of its out of province inspection last spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinty View Post
    Ian: could you post a link to the ADVrider thread?
    Rinty - here you go:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=711467

    Is this the fuel system componenet that sits in the well at the left front of the tank?
    Yes, on the R1200GS. On my HP2e the plate is on the top. Various models put it various places.

    I had the one on my bike inspected and sealed by Anderwerks as part of its out of province inspection last spring.
    It sure is worth it. I was surprised at how quickly the problem appeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenduddhist View Post
    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says the housing around the fuel pump can crack and leak gasoline. .
    The same thing happens on the Slant four K bikes, plus the plastic quick disconnect can break.
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    I had fuel all over my left leg from a cracked fuel pump recently on my 2007 R1200S.

    I did not know this could be reported, or I'd be #29!
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    I had to buy the $500 + piece of plastic for my '06 R1200GS Adventure before the clamp solution came out. I am considering adding the clamp as preventive maintenance.

    I did not file a report on it, but it sounds like I should have.

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    Go ahead and file a report. The more info on the record, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicota View Post
    Go ahead and file a report. The more info on the record, the better.
    Right!
    File the reports. This is not over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicota View Post
    Go ahead and file a report. The more info on the record, the better.
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    The R bikes at risk are Hex Heads up to some point in 2008 where BMW (Siemens, component manufacturer) made a modification to the pump housing, a collar pressed over the boss to contain it and to neutralize the outward tension created by the taper-fit female quick disconnect that seats in the boss. This ÔÇ£fixÔÇØ suggests they recognized a potential failure. It appears that the upgraded part is the same molded component but with a pressed on collar on the boss much as I described above. Part number remained the same.

    As BMW resorted to a collar to effect a modification I would imagine the same could apply retro fitted (as a repair/ band-aid) to the early units if not already fractured. But where the housing is compromised, even if not weeping fuel, the collar would be insufficient for repair I believe. The housing should be replaced. This is the situation with my GS.

    HereÔÇÖs the rub. Whereas you CAN purchase the fuel pump separate from the housing for $300 plus, you CANNOT purchase the housing separate from a new pump. Huh? Gimme a break! Cost $500 plus for the assembly.

    If you donÔÇÖt blow up first, your wallet will.

    At minimum: The housing should be offered as a separate purchase (upgraded unit). It should be priced affordable as the immobilizer rings finally were prior to recall.
    Better: Replacement/upgrade should occur within a voluntarily BMW recall.
    Best: NHSTA should mandate a recall.

    I recommend that those with Hex Head R series bikes look at pump assembly closely. If your bike has the collar ensconced boss youÔÇÖre home free (presumably). If yours is the earlier unit check it for cracks. If free from cracking consider for now the available clamp collar through BeemerBoneyard or similar. If fractured, you know what that could mean. Register your concern with NHTSA. Write BMW. ItÔÇÖs a safety issue involving fuel and the potentiality of fire. And an out-of-pocket repair of over $500 because of a half ounce chunk of molded plastic is ridiculous. There needs to be an acceptable remedy.

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    Since I spent several hours reading about this issue, my mind started to get carried away with the what if syndrome?
    Went into the shop after dinner tonight and pilled the tupper wear away to do a close up inspection. Was into my BMW dealer here this morning while out an about and questioned several service guys and they both admitted that only the GS seems to an on going problem with the fuel pump flange. As it would be, I still have another 1 1/2 years worth of warranty and this would be still covered, even after 114 kilometres.

    Here is what I found and it was dirty and not pretty!

    Will post another picture after this one, as I haven't figured out how to add several pictures at thge same time. Computer illiterate I guess!
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    Here is the second picture after I went in and cleaned it very carefully!

    After I took the pictures for the file, I went in with a very soft flux brush and vacuumed the whole area as I am a Felix of sort as I hate things dirty, especially motorcycles. It strange that here is a R12RT that has 114 kilometres on her and after cleaning it looks as good as the day it came of the assembly line. Hummmmm!

    Now to go and sort out the cracked tail light!
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