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1) In addition to a flea market mentioned above I would like to see a central area where people could park their bikes for sale. I enjoyed looking and dreaming about the used bikes scattered around the area, but a central location would be much more convenient and would likely mean I wouldn't miss some neat bikes!
2) It seemed like almost all the seminars on riding places were done by commercial groups. I have nothing against that, but it would be nice to hear ride-stories from members who can tell it like it is (embarrassing moments and all!). Perhaps to give them an incentive to spend the time preparing a good presentation, offer a free admission if they give a seminar?
'You can say what you want about the South, but I almost never hear of anyone wanting to retire to the North.
I second that, I noticed how almost all the vendors were pushing rides in other countries. That means I would not only have to travel there by air, but I'd have to rent one of their bikes. I'm more fond of anything in North America. I think on the vendor side this was lacking. Sure overseas trips are great, but we have an incredible landscape right here at home.
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Forgive me if things I mentioned were already previously mentioned as I didn't fully read everyone's comments.
First of all, why not move the rally to a different part of the season to where the weather is more enjoyable or to locations where the weather is nicer? Of course, don't want rally at the same locations all the time as its nice to be able to see diff parts of the U. S. This thread was started about this which I have not had a chance to read: http://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?t=54631 I am being told by a rally chair that it will always be held at the same time and it will never change. I understand that many years over the past it has always been held the same dates. I don't know if people don't want to change the dates as they don't want change but perhaps changing the dates will do good? The reason the dates will not be changed because of the "excuse" that teachers and professors are out of school as well as kids are out of school. Also, I was told that HEAT can be controlled easier on a person than cold. How can heat exhaustion and dehydration be controlled much easier??????? I still won't understand this comment coming from person I spoke too and never will. I think that is incorrect. There were a lot of people going to first aid and having an ambulance trip to the hospital. Moving the time to where the weather is more favorable perhaps this won't be happening. Another situation of moving the time is having snow on a route traveling to a place is another reason why the dates won't be moved... well, can a person travel where they won't be hitting snow on their route? This is something else I will not understand as I am sure if you get the right dates for the season and area there can be a little better compromise. It is always talk about school teachers, professors, and kids being out of school is the "main reason" for the dates of the rally. How about everyone else that needs to take off work? Is that not something that is important that is looked upon? I know Camp Gears is a big event and I have no problem with Camp Gears but couldn't the rally dates be held during Spring Break where the weather is more favorable? Both kids, teachers, and professors will be out of school? All of us have to take off of work, why can't teachers, kids, and professors take off just like the rest of us? I think moving the dates to early spring or fall to have nicer weather would make the rally more enjoyable. Due to the weather this year, this was my worst rally I attended. I was sick and because of that I was not able to do any rides to explore the area as I normally do.
There were two good bands... Paul Thorn and the German band. The times were overlapping. A person couldn't enjoy both good bands at the same time. This sucked! The German band was extremely good who started performing before Paul Thorne was suppose to perform. This was the very first time the German band performed in the U. S. and the very first performance. It was a shame to have two bands performing together. I hope in the future rallies this will not happen again.
I was really looking forward to the BMW Demo Fleet Truck this year... and to only see 1600 GT's and GTL's was a "big" let down. I was totally in shock when I watched them roll out these bikes only. I was looking forward to seeing the other models. Of course these are new bikes and trying to be pushed, but this is a big BMW event... why were the other models forgotten about? I hear these were the only demos that dealers had to give for the Demo truck as they get the bikes from different dealers? Is that so? This is the first year where anything like this has happened... I hope this will never happen again in the future.
The attendance was low this year.... a lot of people didn't come due to the weather or they probably turned around and went home. This should have been spoken for at the awards ceremony when the door prizes were being called and no one was claiming their prizes they won because they had already left or left early due to the weather? Because of this, you could tell that the folks trying to call out the awards were getting upset and a few times the attitudes of giving out the awards... the person calling out the awards started to get a bad attitude. The way the awards were set up and how far one had to walk in order to get out and across the dirt track to the stage I am sure wasn't an added factor to how ones demeanor was getting. The fire flaming cars were not fun due to the heat.... the awards ceremony/closing ceremony.. part of it was nice and part of it wasn't nice. Some parts were long and drugged out and other parts were rushed through because of other parts being long and drugged out.... the parts that were rushed through should have not been rushed through as they should have had more recognition. I thought the awards ceremony was that you did not have to be present to win.... that is what I was told as well as some volunteers who worked the registration booth was even told that and come to find out a person had to be present to win. That was a little misleading.
I was hot and not feeling good from the weather and went into one of the vendor buildings for a second to see if they were open to try to get out of the heat and I got thrown out of the building which I feel was a little bit uncalled for. I understand a lot of people were stressed trying to get things set up and making sure things are going as planned but how I was treated that day I think should not have happened.
I think if it wasn't so hot and humid things would have been a little better and more enjoyable. I think there were some vendors that are normally at the rally were not there and not sure if that had anything to do with the weather or if it was another reason.
I hear over the years theft has been bad and each year it is getting worse... why can't we trust fellow BMW riders and not have theft happening during the rally? This is a shame to hear... something for those out there to think about and hope you are not the one reading this that may have taken something that perhaps wasn't yours.
Thanks to those who worked hard putting the rally together.
Bye bye 2006 F650 GS for a 2011 F650 GS.
I know I'd like to learn from riders about the "hidden" roads that only locals know about. Or about great hotel/motel values, places of interest, things to do, restaurants, etc.
In May we rode through Eureka CA and at the rally we found out that we missed the best breakfast house in the area -- those are the kinds "don't miss" things this type of seminar could provide.
We could have a whole series of seminars for people new to:
There were several people asking me questions about my bike at the rally and I had an idea for a DIY farkling seminar for hexheads/camheads that illustrates how easy it is to remove and install the tupperware, add electronics, and othewise workaround the canbus. We could invite a bunch of bike owners to display their rides and to answer questions for riders looking for ideas.
I was hesitant to take my bike apart but once I worked through the DIY tech threads it became easy -- seeing it illustrated in person could be a big help to new bike owners who want to add some accessories but are hesitant to disassemble their bikes and would like to see a demonstration.
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If you are unhappy about the Motorrad demo fleet, I'd suggest contacting BMW NA directly. As far as I know, the MOA has no control over the content of the demo fleet.
I personally wanted to test ride a different bike than the 1600 GT but welcomed the opportunity to take something completely different than my current bike out for an extended ride.
I like bananas 'cause they ain't got bones!
...listening to folks who live well to the south of me, complaining about the heat...
At one point during the rally planning the German Band was to be our Friday Night entertainment, but when time grew closer we ( the MOA ) were not sure if they were coming at all, let alone Motorrad. So the MOA went ahead and filled our event with our own entertainment offering betting on Motorrad Oktoberfest not happening. The proof here is Motorrads beer delivery, did you notice they gave one beer per customer ? Motorrad was late thus they couldn't do proper beer sales.
I wish Paul Thorn could have played Saturday but what happened sadly happened. I hope someone can explain the mix up to him.
I was disappointed with the Demo selection as well but Motorrad concentrated on the GT(L)s and even brought the Product Dept. so it was a concentrated sales and with top people there to listen to the riders opinion post the demo. Great motorcycle but I too wish there were other models available. Had I known I may have been able to see if a local dealer would do an open house and allow demo rides......I think Hermys would have, had they known.
In support of BMW Motorrrad USA, I want to thank them for their support of the GS Events that we may never read about. From GS Trials track design, trials judging, free GS training from two Off Road Academies and for USA VP Pieter de Waal sneaking away to ride a GS on the Advanced Ride to Hermys BMW that was hosted by BMW PC. There may NOT have been GS Demo's there but certainly they supported the MOA GS events.
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I was one of the "upset not angry" people stuck in the sweltering heat on an aluminium bench who had to endure 2 hours of torture before discovering I hadn't won a grand prize. I was at first puzzled then later totally bewildered by the presence of the "Flame Cars"- not really suitable entertainment for a motorcycle rally. Exposing people who are already overheated to jets of high temperature flames shooting out of the back of a bunch of some old cars isn't the best way to "win friends and influence people".
Surely some form of 2-wheeled entertainment would have been more appropriate.Was Chris "Teach" McNeil unavailable? (He's a bike stunt rider who put on a great display of both his on/off road riding skills at Johnson City in 2009).
The ceremony was already running at least 15 minutes behind schedule and the MC kept asking the crowd if they wanted the cars to "do it again"- the crowd's reaction (certainly from my point of view) was basically a "Heck no!!! We don't want any more of that, get on with the presentation please!!!". No disrespect was intended to any of our hard-working volunteers, but the folks organising things knew on Thursday that the weather was extreme and had ample time to make changes to the awards ceremony.
The farcical nature of the prize drawing could also have been alleviated if there had been a designated location on our side of the fence where the winners could have reported to a volunteer armed with some means of communicating with the people on the stage. How did you think folks were going to get from the grandstand to the stage area, sprout wings and fly??
I understand the need for prize donors to get some recognition- they were the ones who kept things brief; it was others who rambled on and on aimlessly.
A big "Thank You" to all who helped organise, set up, and make the rally a fun event. I'll be back and look forward to catching up with my friends "somewhere down the road"
Ian Robert "Scoobs" Scobie
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But fondly miss.. R80RT, R45,CB250RS,DT125MX,TS100