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    Quote Originally Posted by rodstanhope View Post
    Bell stuff is made in China......
    Hmmmm...checked my kevlar Bell Magnum and it has 'Made in USA' all over it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarddog View Post
    Hmmmm...checked my kevlar Bell Magnum and it has 'Made in USA' all over it...
    There are, unfortunately, loopholes that allow manufacturers to claim "Made in USA". The only items to which FTC regulations are specifically applied (percent of content must be declared) are automobiles, textiles, wool, and fur products. ThereÔÇÖs no law that requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content.

    A brief history of Bell from WebBikeWorld: "Well, it's a long story, but Bell was purchased by Bieffe, the Italian helmet manufacturer, one thing led to another, and the Bell name all but disappeared from the street motorcycle scene, but it developed a strong reputation in bicycle helmets and off-road motorcycle helmet markets throughout the world.

    But guess what? The Bell name was recently reacquired from Bieffe, and Bell helmets are now available again in the U.S.A. As a measure of their commitment, Bell also opened a motorcycle helmet design and testing facility in Santa Cruz, California to develop, prototyped and create the tooling necessary to manufacture the new designs."

    In fact, in looking at the "manufacturing" location for Bell helmets, it appears that actual manufacturing occurs both in Korea and China. Of course, even though the manufacturing labor is outsourced to off shore concerns, at least the design, prototyping, and tooling is done in the US!

    To help unofficially justify the "Made in USA" label, a manufacturer may claim that the majority (at least 51%) of the cost of producing (design, tooling, manufacture, testing, etc.) the item occurs in the US. While this is not applicable to automobiles, textiles, wool, and fur products, it does help other (non-regulated) products to avoid closer inspection. In Bell's case, I'm sure that the costs of the design, prototyping, and tooling are far greater that the cost of off shore labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEO View Post
    There are, unfortunately, loopholes that allow manufacturers to claim "Made in USA". The only items to which FTC regulations are specifically applied (percent of content must be declared) are automobiles, textiles, wool, and fur products. ThereÔÇÖs no law that requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content.

    A brief history of Bell from WebBikeWorld: "Well, it's a long story, but Bell was purchased by Bieffe, the Italian helmet manufacturer, one thing led to another, and the Bell name all but disappeared from the street motorcycle scene, but it developed a strong reputation in bicycle helmets and off-road motorcycle helmet markets throughout the world.

    But guess what? The Bell name was recently reacquired from Bieffe, and Bell helmets are now available again in the U.S.A. As a measure of their commitment, Bell also opened a motorcycle helmet design and testing facility in Santa Cruz, California to develop, prototyped and create the tooling necessary to manufacture the new designs."

    In fact, in looking at the "manufacturing" location for Bell helmets, it appears that actual manufacturing occurs both in Korea and China. Of course, even though the manufacturing labor is outsourced to off shore concerns, at least the design, prototyping, and tooling is done in the US!

    To help unofficially justify the "Made in USA" label, a manufacturer may claim that the majority (at least 51%) of the cost of producing (design, tooling, manufacture, testing, etc.) the item occurs in the US. While this is not applicable to automobiles, textiles, wool, and fur products, it does help other (non-regulated) products to avoid closer inspection. In Bell's case, I'm sure that the costs of the design, prototyping, and tooling are far greater that the cost of off shore labor.
    I reckon the only actual important sticker on the helmet, regardless of whether it was manufactured in Santa Cruz or Zimbabwe, is that one that says 'DOT' then! Otherwise, it's a moot point...

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    Have not seen a Bell helmet at any local shop for some time that I recall...will see next trip into the big city.
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    Helmets?

    I see what appear to be good bargains for helmets in ads in various cycle magazines. How, can anyone tell me, do you buy a helmet from a mail order vendor and know that it's going to fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrafikFeat View Post
    I try it on locally and then buy it online saving big tax nut.
    You actually admit to that? Sheeeesh...maybe you oughta try running a brick & mortar business sometime...folks come in, get your stuff all greasy and dirty by trying stuff on, then buy it somewheres else... There have been other recent threads on this type of behavior, so I won't initiate another discussion here, but I'll take the opportunity to tell ya what I think about it...It ain't right...you wanna buy it on line, take the plunge, and if it don't fit, send it back until you get it right... it's as simple as that

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    One thing I notice if you look closely at the helmet (lighter colored versions) on the linked site, the vents appear to have rather large gaps around the edges. Those large gaps would be places where air could leak through creating noise (as one of the reviews indicates). That speaks to me about the quality of the contruction.
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    Mod hat on

    Gentlemen,
    please keep the personal comments on your side of the keyboard.
    The thread was started ,by me, as offering another helmet option to the marketplace pros and cons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felaw View Post
    I see what appear to be good bargains for helmets in ads in various cycle magazines. How, can anyone tell me, do you buy a helmet from a mail order vendor and know that it's going to fit?
    You're absolutely correct...you can't...only thing you can do is guess, and if it doesn't fit, send it back and guess again...to me, the fit of a helmet is so very important that I gotta buy it local...another thing is that I've noticed that different helmets of the same model and size might fit a little different, a little better, or a little worse...It's not supposed to be that way, but every now and then, it happens...

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    Some of us like to take a chance. Yes I could pay a lot more and limit my selection to major brands and fewer styles.... or do research, pick exactly what I want and make an internet purchase. Most places do have a return policy- so I use it. So you wait a little longer- nothing is perfect.

    My GMax GM68 fit really well, excellent reviews and replacement shields are available. I may pop on a Zox later on. Guess I just have to be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felaw View Post
    I see what appear to be good bargains for helmets in ads in various cycle magazines. How, can anyone tell me, do you buy a helmet from a mail order vendor and know that it's going to fit?

    It was fairly easy and I'll tell you how I did it. I had owned my Shoei for quite a few years and was ready for a new helmet. I like the build quality of the Shoei, but the model I had was just a little too round shaped for my head.

    I was at a major motorcycle show about 10-12 years ago and Arai had a rather large display set up. They weren't selling any, but had their models and sizes there to try on. The nice lady there was very helpful and showed me a model and size that fit my head perfectly. After returning home, I mail ordered the same model and size that I had tried on. The one I ordered fit the same as the one I tried at the Arai booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEO View Post
    IMHO, WebBikeWorld is a fantastic site that specializes in getting good information to the rider. They have done a brilliant job of simplifying the different human head shapes and then matching helmets to those shapes. In my opinion, right after Snell 2010, this is the next thing you should consider. An ill-fitting helmet may be somewhat safe but it will require withstanding cerebral torture for mile after mile.

    Of course, every head shape is slightly different, but WBW have documented the basic differences among us. THIS page will acquaint you with the shape differences. Scroll down a bit for head shapes and example helmets to fit them.

    Now that some basic head shapes have been identified, THIS table becomes extremely useful to (a) find helmets that have a good chance of being the right shape (you still need to consider head size -- best done with a "try-on" and an experienced helmet fitter), and (b) one that is as light as possible.

    Using these tables allowed me to start my search zeroed-in on several candidate helmets chosen for Snell 2010 and probable comfort. I did find that the size stated on the helmet could vary quite a bit, so don't go only by your head circumference. Also note that most people buy for immediate comfort and wind up with a helmet that is too large for full safety after the inside padding wears-in.

    HTH,
    Consulting the above information is one way to estimate whether a helmet will may fit the unique shape of your melon. However, you should find a dealer of selected brands and try helmets on. Remember, a XL in and Arai may not be the same circumference measurement and an XL in a Schuberth.
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