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    My Dangerous Driveway - bright idea?

    OK, I've lived in the same place for over 40 years and the roads near my place haven't changed, except to go from gravel to asphalt. Never had a crash exiting my driveway either, though the potential is always there. Let me explain.

    At the bottom of the driveway there is a good view to the left - maybe half a mile. The view to the right is maybe 200 feet, and just past that view is a road with a stop sign entering the through road which curves around my property. Drivers making a right turn at the stop sign uniformly treat it as a "yield" sign, and rightly so, because they have a good view to the left for approaching cars. Drivers on the through road of course mostly ignore the 50 kph warning sign. (No "invisible driveway" sign, and I'm not complaining to the township, because these are universally ignored.)

    So making a right turn out of my driveway is completely safe, or close to it. Making a left turn (when there is no traffic from the left) has so far meant LISTENING for traffic to the right. (One of the very few times I appreciate loud Harleys and sport bikes.)

    The bright idea - when the road is clear to my left and I want to turn left - accelerate the car or bike in the WRONG lane; check the right mirror and shoulder check, THEN move over.

    No, I'm not sure why this did not occur to me about 35 years ago. It does disturb me that I made myself a sitting duck literally thousands of times. Surprised I, my wife, and guests have gotten away with it all these years. A better plan is, I think, better than hoping you will continue to be lucky. The road is not going to change. Our luck could.
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    Sometimes my husband and I have to do this when turning left from the road we live on onto the main road. In the morning, the sun can be just in the wrong spot to your right, and you have no idea if there is traffic coming from the right, so we turn into the oncoming lane (so long as it's clear) til we are sure the right lane is clear, then move over.

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    Any chance of installing one of those round mirrors to look up the road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterK75 View Post
    Any chance of installing one of those round mirrors to look up the road?
    Excellent idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterK75 View Post
    Any chance of installing one of those round mirrors to look up the road?
    Thanks for the idea, and also Greenwald for the link. Several years ago when we spent a month in New Zealand, which has a lot of VERY curvy low speed roads, saw a number of these mirrors - obviously erected by the highway department. Hadn't even considered them until you guys replied. The downside for my situation is not just the cost but also erecting it on a neighbor's property.

    Any downside to what I finally figured out?
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    If you were my neighbor, and asked if you could install a safety mirror on my property...I'd help you dig the post hole!

    These mirrors are pretty common around my neck of the woods.

    Good luck!
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    They're fairly common around here too. I don't "Know", but maybe the installation (and property easement if necessary?) is handled by the local Streets Department? Why pay for it (you pay taxes), and it makes the hazardous area "known" to the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCKRider View Post

    Any downside to what I finally figured out?
    None that I can see from what you describe. I use this technique allmost every time at an intersection just west of my house. 3/4 mile visibility to the left probably 300 feet to the right due to a hill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCKRider View Post
    Thanks for the idea, and also Greenwald for the link. Several years ago when we spent a month in New Zealand, which has a lot of VERY curvy low speed roads, saw a number of these mirrors - obviously erected by the highway department. Hadn't even considered them until you guys replied. The downside for my situation is not just the cost but also erecting it on a neighbor's property.

    Any downside to what I finally figured out?
    I have the exact same situation you do (gravel road and all). Your idea is fantastic! I can't imagine any downside.

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    Complain to local road authority, whoever owns the road? Tell them there is a sight distance problem and ask for a "Blind Driveway" sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    Complain to local road authority, whoever owns the road? Tell them there is a sight distance problem and ask for a "Blind Driveway" sign.

    Harry
    Harry, the road past my place has one "Blind Driveway" sign as well a couple "slow to 30 kph." All locals ignore them unless the road is a sheet of ice. Expect they rarely change the speed of anybody. I think it is MY JOB to exit my driveway safely, and too many signs can be as bad as no signs.

    Several years ago (after a Harley rider skidded 150 feet uphill and across the road so his bike jumped the ditch and ended up on my property,) I successfully got the township to install a "Stop Ahead" sign as that stop sign was not visible until about where the skid mark began. Yes, high speed and bad braking caused the crash, but have little doubt that "Stop Ahead" sign has prevented other crashes.

    Another pet peeve of mine is "slow to ..." signs which are often ridiculously slow, and then, on the same road, they are absolutely serious. There have been many motorcycle crashes on Hwy 6 not far from where I live and I bet more than a few of them have been from people who doubled the "suggested" limit safely and then ran off the road when the sign was serious.

    Well, I seem to moved my OP well off track. But that often leads to an interesting conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCKRider View Post
    The bright idea - when the road is clear to my left and I want to turn left - accelerate the car or bike in the WRONG lane; check the right mirror and shoulder check, THEN move over.
    I think that is the safe idea. My own luck, however, would be that the car coming from the right that came into view as I was in the left lane would be a fine officer of the law, intent on citing me for riding on the wrong side of the road. He/she might or might not believe that was the safe thing to do. I'd much rather take my changes with the judge than the bumper of a car, so agree with your idea. And then I'd hope that either the officer or the judge didn't decide the proper thing to do was to turn right, make a U turn or turn in a parking lot so as to go back the other way.
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    Talk with your neighbor and the governmental authority responsible for the road about the mirrror idea.

    Explain what you have in mind with a mirror and why you are concerned to your neighbor. Start getting them on board with the idea.

    Talk with the agency - to place the pole and mirror properly from a road maintenance/safety perspective. They have been wiling to place blind driveway signs. Explain why you don't think that is the solution in your case and the mirror is a better one then ask if they would meet you half way and put the post in and you will pop for the mirror.

    In the short run your OP solution makes sense but not as a long term way to exit and ride safely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I think that is the safe idea. My own luck, however, would be that the car coming from the right that came into view as I was in the left lane would be a fine officer of the law, intent on citing me for riding on the wrong side of the road. He/she might or might not believe that was the safe thing to do. I'd much rather take my changes with the judge than the bumper of a car, so agree with your idea. And then I'd hope that either the officer or the judge didn't decide the proper thing to do was to turn right, make a U turn or turn in a parking lot so as to go back the other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    Complain to local road authority, whoever owns the road? Tell them there is a sight distance problem and ask for a "Blind Driveway" sign.

    Harry
    I had a similar problem with my driveway. The town said they would not put up a blind driveway sign because then they would be admitting that they issued a driveway permit in an unsafe location opening them up to liability issues, but I could put up a sign myself. The state, it is on a state road, would not do anything saying that I should talk to the town.
    We moved.

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