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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement.

    Courtesy of the most recent ruling from the US Supreme Court, one's right to bear arms can only be restricted by a federal, state or local (ordinance) statute.

    This commonly does occur where court houses, taverns, aircraft, schools and public institutions come into play (or a felony conviction), but still requires a legal foundation (statute) to support the restriction.

    The MOA may prefer that no one possess a firearm at a rally, but they simply cannot sidestep the Constituion to accomplish that goal. If Johnson City (TN) legally prohibits firearms on the fairgrounds, the MOA is welcome to 'ride their coat tails' and post such a restriction as a rally addendum.

    Personally, I don't relish the guy in the tent three bikes down from me stumbling back from the Beer Tent, only to be cuddling up with his .357 magnum under a pillow.

    But it's like the Stop Signs posted all over the Wal-Mart parking lot. You can 'blow right thru them' without any fear of being cited, since they have no statutory authority (at least not in WI) - they exist only as a courtesy for pedestrian/customer traffic.

    Without due process, you have no legal restriction.
    We are in agreement that is is a restricted right.

    My understanding of the TN statute is that it applies to:

    "Any private property where a notice is posted."

    If correct, the effect is that any private property owner can put up a sign and your right to carry no longer applies on that property. I'm sure we have a ton of legal experts here who can cite the statue and set me straight if I'm incorrect.


    I don't care what MOA does. I was asking if there was a policy. My feeling is that the Board will not make a policy and that is completely within their rights.

    Asking some questions here sure seems to upset some folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIBUD View Post
    We are in agreement that is is a restricted right.

    My understanding of the TN statute is that it applies to:

    "Any private property where a notice is posted."

    If correct, the effect is that any private property owner can put up a sign and your right to carry no longer applies on that property. I'm sure we have a ton of legal experts here who can cite the statue and set me straight if I'm incorrect.


    I don't care what MOA does. I was asking if there was a policy. My feeling is that the Board will not make a policy and that is completely within their rights.

    Asking some questions here sure seems to upset some folks.
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    Asking questions is not a bad thing. People have the right to know irrespective of their reasons for knowing. This applies just as much to your question as any.

    Having said that, the only place for this thread to go would be a discussion about guns generally, at which point it would be time IMHO to move this topic to The Tavern. As I believe we all know, such a discussion could go on forever without substantially changing anyone's position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIBUD View Post
    I asked an honest question with no agenda. Only asking for information.

    To then equate sidearms with knives and straws spit wads seems to be a red herring.

    Are you saying that we can no longer ask a question because of today's social and political climate? Or are you saying that because of today's social and political climate we should just expect people to be armed where ever we go?

    I don't expect to have to protect myself from anyone traveling to or from a rally. Do you? I pretty much travel around the US with no fear of my life or safety. But there seem to be some that feel insecure where ever they go.


    Talk about a red herring! "Are you saying that we can no longer ask a question...". With your question, you go to farther extremes than my partially tongue in cheek comment did.

    Of course you may ask whatever you wish! But you should reallize the almost certain answer to such a question before you ask it.

    I'll admit that throwing in the spit wad comment was a bit of a stretch (and a little tongue in cheek), but not much. Out here in the proverbial land of fruits and flakes, if my kid was to shoot spit wads at other kids at lunch, he would undoubtedly get sent to detention, probably with the threat of suspension should such anti-social and dangerous behavior happen again (you could put an eye out with that!).

    When I was a kid, it was standard equipment for boys to have a pocket knife starting somewhere around the 4th or 5th grade (and I don't remember a single knife fight). That will earn a kid an expulsion these days.

    You can't even get nail clippers on an airplane anymore! I haven't tried to get a straw and spit wads on a plane, but I bet if you pack them together, the TSA agent will at least consider confiscating them. Sadly, that's probably more true than comedic.

    I didn't mean to accuse you of having an agenda. I was just pointing out the reality of what you should expect as an answer to such a question.


    BTW - I'm not upset about your question. Again, just pointing out what, IMO, should be obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIBUD View Post
    We are in agreement that is is a restricted right.

    My understanding of the TN statute is that it applies to:

    "Any private property where a notice is posted."

    If correct, the effect is that any private property owner can put up a sign and your right to carry no longer applies on that property. I'm sure we have a ton of legal experts here who can cite the statue and set me straight if I'm incorrect.


    I don't care what MOA does. I was asking if there was a policy. My feeling is that the Board will not make a policy and that is completely within their rights.

    Asking some questions here sure seems to upset some folks.
    You just go right on asking questions, SIBUD. They are thought-provoking, and crafted in a mature manner.

    Just because we may disagree on interpretation, the questions should still be asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIBUD View Post
    I asked an honest question with no agenda. Only asking for information.

    To then equate sidearms with knives and straws spit wads seems to be a red herring.

    Are you saying that we can no longer ask a question because of today's social and political climate? Or are you saying that because of today's social and political climate we should just expect people to be armed where ever we go?

    I don't expect to have to protect myself from anyone traveling to or from a rally. Do you? I pretty much travel around the US with no fear of my life or safety. But there seem to be some that feel insecure where ever they go.
    Of course you had an agenda . . . your last sentence shows your contempt for those that choose to legally carry.

    Look, I can appreciate that you scared the crap out of yourself playing with a friend's shotgun while he wasn't there to supervise. I'm sorry for your trauma.

    There is a 100% chance that you will be near someone either on the rally site or off site that will be carrying (not that this is any different than any other rally site).

    I read that you do not ride with those that carry nor want to be in an area where others may be carrying. You should probably decide to stay away to minimize your risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydrummerdude View Post
    Why does it matter so much?
    really.

    god, this so retarded.
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