F800ST vs. R1150R
Happy Holidays to All!
I currently have an R1150R that I like. It's my first BMW, just came back to riding at age 57.
Don't laugh but I hadn't ridden since I was 18 when I had a Honda 300 Dream. I know, it was a dog but I didn't know any better.
So now I have the R1150R and sometimes it just seems like a lot of work to ride, top heavy and the ABS brakes are really grabby. On the other hand on the highway sometimes it just seems magical the way it handles and corners.
So has anyone had both the 1150R and the F800ST. From what I've read the 800ST sounds like it would be easier to ride.
Any comments would be appreciated, even about the 300 Dream.
OK, there must be some 800ST riders that ride or rode BMWs before the 800ST.
I know you folks all ate too much already today but get up from your nap and give me your opinions.
Thanks and Merry Christmas.
Damm, I wish it was April and sunny!
Mark in Iowa
Come on 800 folks. I too am interested. I have an R90/6 and am thinking of selling it for a more modern and ride-able (light, smooth, and fast) bike which I have heard the 800's are. We would appreciate owners sharing their knowledge.
I'm also new to riding. Started on a 650 Yamaha V-Star cruiser that I bought new in September 2006. Loved the bike - suited all my needs. In 2007, I explored the idea of purchasing a bike that would ultimately suit all my needs. After lots of research, I settled on the F800ST, which I purchased new in April 2008. I was concerned that it might be too much bike for me. I was very wrong. What a bike. Very user friendly. NO regrets whatsoever. Light, agile, fast. Low center of gravity. Nice torque curve - unlike the Japanese crouch rockets.
Small road corner junkie
Got to ride an 800ST in Europe last year, LOVE the bike. My current bike here in the states is an R1100S, and I rode R12GS, R12R, R1150R, and others in Europe, and when it came time to chose a bike for a 2 week solo ride into Switzerland and France I chose the 800st over the others. May very well be my next BMW if I don't buy the 800GS instead.
BTW, I am 6'1" and 215 lbs, and the 800 st fit well, handled great and gets PHENOMENAL fuel mileage even when riding the snot out of it, abd rode 2 up with the wife for a day no problem.
Against an R1150, no contest in my opinion.
ST gets my vote ...
But I may be prejudiced. I luv mine.
Mark, what type of riding do you do? Passenger? What floats your boat esthetically? That could ultimately decide what's better for you.
I've only ridden the R1150R on a test ride at Daytona years back and several other Beemers. Nice grunt and surprisingly good handling. But I can tell you the 800ST is the best balanced and easiest to handle BMW I've encountered. Surprisingly nice mid range and low end and the belt drive makes for a smooth driveline. If you're long legged I could see the peg position being a bit cramped (but there're after mkt remedies for that). I'm vertically challenged so the light weight and low seat option works great for me.
It's a lightweight SportTourer in the true sense of that description and great for commutes and short rides as well.
Some recall gremlins but seems BMW has them solved. Check out http://f800riders.org/forum/ as well.
My wife sold her R1150RS to buy an F800ST and hasn't regret it for a moment.
It is lighter, better balanced, better handling, more responsive, gets better mileage, and has a more comfortable seat. She is much quicker with it through the twisties, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were the faster of the two bikes in a head to head contest.
I've ridden both of her bikes and liked the 800 a lot more, even after a 350 mile day. The seat to peg distance wasn't uncomfortable to me (6' tall), but I've always been comfortable with sporty ergonomics. I definitely agree the seat is better than any stock beemer I've ridden. You'll have to make up your own mind about those last two observations though.
Happy test riding
I had a 2001 R1150R until summer of 2007 when my F800ST arrived.
The ST has far better weather protection and a far smoother engine and transmission. Handling is noticeably superior as well.
The F800 actually makes a few more HP than the R and weighs 100lbs less, so performance is excellent. The gas mileage on the F800 is far superior and usable range from a tank is 400km vs. 300km. My wife also finds the passenger accommodations on the F800 roomier and more comfortable.
I really liked the R1150R, but the F800ST is a better bike all round.
Hi Mark (I'm originally from Des Moines),
I love my 2008 F800ST. But I have never ridden an R1150R, so I can't compare.
800ST seems incredibly responsive. Never feels like a struggle to get it to do what I want.
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My experience with BMW has been 10 years long, and four bikes wide. I've had an R1100R, an R1150R, my current R1200R (a magnificent bike) and my F800GS. Based upon my experience, it would be not be a good idea to trade your bike for an F800GS in the hopes it would be "better." Instead, keep riding your bike of choice until you are tired of any shortcomings it may have.
Meanwhile, the F800GS will continue to improve pending you making up your mind.
I can't compare to your R, but I love my F800ST. It's my second BMW after an older airhead. I've put about 10,000 on this past year with no problems, including a 4,600 mile road trip. No complaints. Check out f800riders.org for all the pros and cons. I haven't found anything to fuss about with mine.
I am not exactly what you are looking for but here goes.
I am 5' 11" 180-190lbs.
My current bike is a R1100S and my girlfriend has a F800S. I was debating between the 2 but I ended up on the 1100S.
The F800S has about 7K on it and my R1100S has about 12K on it.
When I sit on the R, the size of it seems to fit me better all around and I feel more comfortable on it. The F after being on my R seems to small for me and I just feel like I am too big for the bike. Plus when I see other riders on the F's some of them look to big for the bike, I noticed that at the Rally in West Bend, WI.
As far as performance between the 2 the R has more HP and Torque but is heavier than the F bikes. I can tell you that there is a big difference in Torque feel between the 2, the R bike just takes the cake on that. The F is a lot smoother than the R though all the way up to redline. My girlfriend is about 70lbs lighter than me so if my bike was still "stock" we would be VERY close in a flat out race, but I think I would take her off the start and also in top end.
Now the weight, wow!! That is huge between the 2, after riding my bike all day and then jumping on hers. The F feels like a mini bike, it just feels like there is nothing there. Now with the good also comes the bad. In the wind the R is a ton more stable where her F is getting blown around. Also the R is a lot more planted on the straights and in the corners but I think that has a lot to do with the different suspensions. I personally like the R feel better. However at the same time the lightness of the F bike let you toss them around in the corners without even breaking a sweat compared to the R. Also the R doesn't dive but the F does when you have to get on the binders.
Also the F you can get with a lot of bells and whistles that my R doesn't have such as a good fuel gauge that tells miles til empty, and miles per gallon(instant and average), instead of just a light that goes on when you have a gallon left. The F can get tire pressure monitors also. So like I said there are some more creature comforts also that come along with the F.
You also have the different motors and drives to consider. I like both shaft and belt and personally don't have pros or cons on either since the F is so new yet. As far as the motors, I like the "jugs" of my R and I think they are easier to do maintenance on compared to the F motors but to each their own on these 2 topics.
I personally wouldn't give in my R1100S for a F800S especially since we have both in the garage now. I like the F at times but overall the R is a better fit for me.
Hope this helps, I have to get back to work but feel free to comment or question anything I have said. Also yes, check out f800riders.org, that is a good site and for my R1100S, I go to Pelican parts.com.
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Hey everyone, thanks a bunch for all your input. Its good to hear all sides when comparing bikes even if you don't necessarily agree. To me the F800ST does feel quite a bit smaller but that's maybe what I need. I can imagine how the guys that ride the huge Harleys can handle them, esp. a slow speeds and in tight corners.
My 1150R is definately a sweet bike. And I do like the way the front doesn't dive when you break.
Are the brakes as "grabby" on the 800ST? The 1150R's are terrible.
And Jeff where do you live now. Hopefully somewhere with some nice curvey roads and curvey women for that matter.
The F800 front brakes are strong, and due to the telescopic fork you will notice fork dive compared to the telelever on the R. Not an issue once you get used to it.