Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 37

Thread: Helmet use strategy

  1. #1
    One big Oaff brewmeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    central wisconsin along the wisconsin river
    Posts
    427

    Helmet use strategy

    I'm looking for ideas out here on how to convince a person that helmet use is wise.
    I'm fighting the Harley no helmet syndrome.
    My younger bro got into Harleys 7 years ago and all this time with as much family pressure as we could generate. He clearly sees nothing wrong with not wearing a helmet.I don't ride with him much anymore because he doesn't like getting hassled with not wearing a helmet.Please any suggestions I can use to bombard him with? He does have a worthless Hogan's hero's German style helmet but only uses it if a helmet in the state is required.
    81 R100RT

  2. #2
    Registered User WalterK75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Posts
    626
    It sounds like you are trying to fight a fashion statement with logic. If it hasn't worked to date, it probably won't.
    Walter

    All government, of course, is against liberty.
    H. L. Mencken

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    28
    I'm speechless. I do a lot of stupid gear related stuff. I have a lot of miles on a naked K75 in shorts and a T-shirt and Fallen low-tops. I can't, however, imagine riding without a full-faced helmet. And I almost always wear gloves, even if its just the thin little ICon ones I got for $40. I'll wear a cheap helmet (IV2, GMAX) but I can't fathom riding without one.

  4. #4
    FUKENGRUVEN SURVIVOR akbeemer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    THE BIG SKY
    Posts
    4,776
    You are not your brother's keeper and continued pressure is likely to only widen the gap between the two of you.
    Kevin Huddy
    Tm Pterodactyl MT Outpost

  5. #5
    '99 '03 '06 National Co-Rally Chair Friedle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Poughkeepsie, NY
    Posts
    940

    helmet use strategy

    Maybe you might consider asking him outside, about 30 feet away from the nearest telephone pole. Ask him to lower his head and run full speed into the pole! If that doesn't hurt, maybe he doesn't need a helmet.

    Friedle
    Ride fast safely

  6. #6
    #13338 PGlaves's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    "Big Bend" TX
    Posts
    9,726
    I would try to find a rehabilitation hospital that has a traumatic brain injury unit. See if they can provide a tour. If that doesn't do it there isn't much brain there to protect.
    Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
    "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution." - Bertrand Russell
    http://web.bigbend.net/~glaves/

  7. #7
    Registered User AKsuited's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    New York State
    Posts
    846
    I like to point out that a white helmet makes you more visible to other motorists, and helps keeps you out of accidents. So a helmet isn't just to protect in a crash. A study done in Hawaii found that helmeted riders had a lower accident rate.

    Harry
    1986 K75C - traded in.
    2003 R1150RT - Sold
    2015 R1200GS Alpine White

  8. #8
    Registered User greenwald's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Sheboygan, WI
    Posts
    3,720

    Smile

    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    I'm looking for ideas out here on how to convince a person that helmet use is wise.
    I'm fighting the Harley no helmet syndrome.
    My younger bro got into Harleys 7 years ago and all this time with as much family pressure as we could generate. He clearly sees nothing wrong with not wearing a helmet.I don't ride with him much anymore because he doesn't like getting hassled with not wearing a helmet.Please any suggestions I can use to bombard him with? He does have a worthless Hogan's hero's German style helmet but only uses it if a helmet in the state is required.
    I wish I had better news. The idiocy of not wearing a motorcycle helmet has been documented beyond reproach - yet too many participants still refrain from the logic of such protection.

    I've been in professional motorcycling, either as an LEO Motor Officer or an instructor at both a race track and technical college, for 15 years now, and it's still an uphill climb to convince certain individuals to protect their cranium, the cradle of the very essence of what it means to be human.

    H-D has created a sub-culture within motorcycling that exerts enormous peer pressure not to wear a helmet. To deny that is to ignore reality. But I don't have some magic solution or mind-bending commentary that is likely to re-route your brother's thinking. Having also worked extensively in EMS for 18 years, Paul's suggestion of a visit to a brain trauma ward has merit.

    Keep trying to gently persuade him, and keep being a good motorcycling example by wearing your own. Perhaps someday, the light bulb will come on inside him - I hope so.

    As family, you are your brother's keeper. Good for you for trying to look out for him.
    Kevin Greenwald - MSF RiderCoach # 121656 (BRC,SBRC,IS,IME,SMARTrainer)
    Nationally Certified Law Enforcement Motor Officer (Ret.) / IBA Member #34281
    Motorcycle & High Performance Driving Instructor - ROAD AMERICA Race Track

  9. #9
    not so retired henzilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    between SanAntone & the Weird Place, TX
    Posts
    6,959
    Hard to accept sometimes that you cannot control anything out of your control.You can speak your peace, however, he makes the choice.

    Personal risk is sometimes just that.

    Went thru a similar life threatening issue with my older brother a few years back and we "talked"...he was here this past weekend and nothing much has changed...other than his health is kicking his tail. Family can care...often cannot change the behavior however...good luck. ..seriously.
    Steve Henson
    SABMWRA MOA Club#62's Flat Fixer/ current forum moderator
    It's not the breaths you take, but the moments that take your breath away-D.Dillon/G. Strait

  10. #10
    neanderssance man sedanman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Pawling NY
    Posts
    698
    Google " rock the gear"
    Paul
    Stop wrestling with your motorcycle, dance with it.
    2011 R1200RT Traded
    2014 R1200RT fully optioned

  11. #11
    Back in the saddle again mikegalbicka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Lakeland,FL
    Posts
    407
    My MSF BRC instructor rode helmet-less, had a serious accident on the slab and lived to tell about it. He still defended his choice and continues to ride that way even after a traumatic brain injury that has seriously impacted his quality of life. That takes the definition of "hard headed" to a whole different level.

  12. #12
    Registered User STRESS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Central Illinois
    Posts
    74

    $50 helemt $50 brain....not really , tests say so.

    These are some points from the infamous " Hurt Report" and a great write up on helmets.

    http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Art...stHelmets.html



    I have studied this topic more than once. This to me really sinks in, keep in mind this was a report on a full face helmet not a skull cap or open face .


    "In the case of fatal accidents, there was one more important discovery in the Hurt Report: [B]There were essentially no deaths to helmeted riders from head injuries alone . "

    This is not to say that other injuries didn't lead to a cause of death but NO death was caused by a head injury alone when the rider had on a full face helmet.


    Hope this helps.



    42.Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.


    43.Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.


    44.The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.


    45.The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.


    46.Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.


    47.FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.


    48.Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.


    49.The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.


    50.There is not liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.


    51.Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.


    52.Valid motorcycle exposure data can be obtained only from collection at the traffic site. Motor vehicle or driver license data presents information which is completely unrelated to actual use.


    53.Less than 10% of the motorcycle riders involved in these accidents had insurance of any kind to provide medical care or replace property.

  13. #13
    na1g
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Greater Bahstin, Massachusetts
    Posts
    959
    "Stupid is as stupid does." -Forrest Gump

    Also refer to Darwin.

  14. #14
    Registered User 36654's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Central PA
    Posts
    2,392
    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    I'm looking for ideas out here on how to convince a person that helmet use is wise.
    I'm fighting the Harley no helmet syndrome.
    My younger bro got into Harleys 7 years ago and all this time with as much family pressure as we could generate. He clearly sees nothing wrong with not wearing a helmet.I don't ride with him much anymore because he doesn't like getting hassled with not wearing a helmet.Please any suggestions I can use to bombard him with? He does have a worthless Hogan's hero's German style helmet but only uses it if a helmet in the state is required.
    Preaching probably won't help/work, but humor, might..............

    1) Have you asked your other siblings if they've been tested for the stupid gene?

    2) Causually ponder aloud if your parent had only one brain damaged child?

    3) Contact your local SS administration office and ask if stupid qualifies for a SS Disabiility pension?

    4) With a tearful expression, tell your brother that you're sorry for chocking him with the garden hose when he was 4-yo and you understand all his stupid life choices are due to the oxygen deprevation at that young age. This will require a lot of begging for forgiveness and tears to make it look sincere. It might help if you give him a few homebrews before delivering the confession...........

    Understanding and relating the physics and statistics of the choice isn't going to do you a darn bit of good relative to siren call of fashion and pre-geriatic peer pressure. Younger Bro's hair (or, skin) in the wind choice is just his version of the little blue pill.

    Good luck, but you're just working on getting him to step one of 12.
    Last edited by 36654; 05-21-2015 at 08:18 PM.
    Cave contents: 99 R11RS, 2013 Toyota Tacoma, 03 Simplicity Legacy, 97 Stihl FS75, Dewalt DW625 & DW744

  15. #15
    Registered User Rod Sheridan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Toronto Ontario
    Posts
    983
    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    I'm looking for ideas out here on how to convince a person that helmet use is wise.
    I'm fighting the Harley no helmet syndrome.
    My younger bro got into Harleys 7 years ago and all this time with as much family pressure as we could generate. He clearly sees nothing wrong with not wearing a helmet.I don't ride with him much anymore because he doesn't like getting hassled with not wearing a helmet.Please any suggestions I can use to bombard him with? He does have a worthless Hogan's hero's German style helmet but only uses it if a helmet in the state is required.
    Hi, I am very sorry to hear that your brother has decided to be the "control group" in the helmet safety study.

    Lack of riding gear is a real issue, it like the "loud pipes save lives' approach are extremely resistant to evidence based safety instruction.

    Continuing to bombard him with information will probably only drive a wedge between you and your brother.

    Regards, Rod.
    Work is the curse of the riding class

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •